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Posted Feb 3, 2026 15:12 UTC (Tue) by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
In reply to: triple negative... by Heretic_Blacksheep
Parent article: Open source for phones: postmarketOS

> (Not only is it in there, it lists variants of aint and ain't going back to Old English!) I greatly irritated a Brit by pointing that out just two weeks ago! ;)

Bear in mind, the "official" English dictionaries cast the language in aspic round about the late 1700s/early 1800s (Dr Johnson et al) when London was going through a very francophone phase. And modern English is very much descended from that.

It very much annoys me when people go on about "correct" and "incorrect", seeing as what they usually complain is incorrect very much predates these new-fangled "french" dictionaries. (Having a standard on the other hand, referring to modern English as *standard* English I have no trouble with whatsoever, as long as you don't demand it's the only true English.)

Cheers,
Wol


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Posted Feb 3, 2026 15:21 UTC (Tue) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link]

I like the discussion that followed my post! Yes, many Americanisms are actually old English. Fowler had this to say about using Americanisms in English (in The King's English, 1908):
[in context of "I guess"] I gesse is a favourite expression of Chaucer’s, and the sense he sometimes gives it is very finely distinguished from the regular Yankee use. But though it is good old English, it is not good new English. If we use the phrase—parenthetically, that is, like Chaucer and the Yankees—, we have it not from Chaucer, but from the Yankees, and with their, not his, exact shade of meaning. It must be recognized that they and we, in parting some hundreds of years ago, started on slightly divergent roads in language long before we did so in politics. In the details of divergence, they have sometimes had the better of us. Fall is better on the merits than autumn, in every way: it is short, Saxon (like the other three season names), picturesque; it reveals its derivation to every one who uses it, not to the scholar only, like autumn; and we once had as good a right to it as the Americans; but we have chosen to let the right lapse, and to use the word now is no better than larceny.
I vaguely remember he has amusing things to say about over-use of litotes too, but can't find it at the moment.


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