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Xlibre

Posted Jun 15, 2025 20:00 UTC (Sun) by lunaryorn (guest, #111088)
In reply to: Xlibre by linuxrocks123
Parent article: Ubuntu 25.10 to drop support for GNOME on Xorg

> Crime is something you do, not something you believe, or something you say. If someone starts _doing_ things that hurt people, rather than _saying_ things that hurt people's _feelings_, _then_ they can be thrown in jail. We can't throw them in jail just because they believe or advocate for horrible things. That's a violation of human rights.

Under German law, we can, and we do. See §130 StGB, Volksverhetzung.

And, as a German, I'm mighty happy that we do, because I believe that there's no human right to deny human rights to others, nor that anyone should be free to publicly incite genocide or downplay the Shoa.

For history taught us that we should really not wait until someone starts _doing_ this.

Crime can also something you say, for words do have power. Which is why we care so much about freedom of speech, after all.

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Posted Jun 15, 2025 21:41 UTC (Sun) by linuxrocks123 (subscriber, #34648) [Link] (1 responses)

> Under German law, we can, and we do. See §130 StGB, Volksverhetzung.

Yup, that's how Europe violates people's human rights!

> And, as a German, I'm mighty happy that we do, because I believe that there's no human right to deny human rights to others, nor that anyone should be free to publicly incite genocide or downplay the Shoa.

AfD just gained 69 seats in your legislature and is the second-largest party now, so how's that political oppression working out for ya?

> Crime can also something you say, for words do have power.

See, that's how Europe doesn't understand what free speech means. Making "something you say" a crime because you don't like what is being said is a direct violation of free speech, and you guys just don't get that.

You'll figure it out eventually, though. You're helping AfD and its friends gain power because they can appeal to both moderate right-wingers and Nazis. The moderate right-wingers like what AfD is saying, and the Nazis know AfD can't say what it really means. You'll eventually figure that out and change your tune.

Or you won't, the firewall will break, and AfD will become part of a governing coalition. Then, they'll turn that nice government oppression cannon you've built right back atcha, and you'll _REALLY_ figure out what free speech means :) Serves you right if you're dense enough to let things get that far, I guess...

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Posted Jun 16, 2025 5:54 UTC (Mon) by lunaryorn (guest, #111088) [Link]

I'm not sure where you're from, but presuming it is the U.S. that's a tad arrogant a comment, considering the historic and current situation of minorities in the US, or, well, your current government.

We could have a discussion about the different interpretation of human and civil rights in the legal philosophy and the constitution in the US and Germany or the EU, or about the degree of practical political freedom in either country, but not this way. I'm sorry but I feel like this is not going anywhere.