What does it mean by removing X11 support? [LWN.net]

What does it mean by removing X11 support?

Posted Jun 13, 2025 14:40 UTC (Fri) by zdzichu (subscriber, #17118)
In reply to: What does it mean by removing X11 support? by pizza
Parent article: Ubuntu 25.10 to drop support for GNOME on Xorg

Actually, Lenovo was supposed to cooperate with Fedora to make their hardware working well. And Fedora being Fedora mean it should be supported by upstream, no weird patches nor custom drivers.

That's the theory, though. Shortly after above huge announcement, Lenovo released ARM Thinkpad without Fedora support whatsoever.

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What does it mean by removing X11 support?

Posted Jun 13, 2025 14:57 UTC (Fri) by pizza (subscriber, #46) [Link] (1 responses)

> Lenovo was supposed to cooperate with Fedora to make their hardware working well.

That's an aspirational statement, and it only applies to "select models" that were to be *shipped with Fedora preinstalled*.

If you buy one of those supposedly supported models with Windows and install Fedora yourself (eg because Lenovo doesn't offer Linux as an option in your region), Lenovo will refuse to support you. (Ask me how I know)

> And Fedora being Fedora mean it should be supported by upstream, no weird patches nor custom drivers.

This means that Fedora only ships what upstream provides. It doesn't mean they're on the hook to preemptively figure out every quirk of the dozens (of not hundreds) that Lenovo releases every year.

> That's the theory, though. Shortly after above huge announcement, Lenovo released ARM Thinkpad without Fedora support whatsoever.

The overwhelming majority Lenovo's lineup remains Windows-only.

What does it mean by removing X11 support?

Posted Jun 13, 2025 16:34 UTC (Fri) by zdzichu (subscriber, #17118) [Link]

I meant Lenovo should be on the hook to provide any necessary quirks, Fedora devs may provide guidance how to integrate them. Or even Lenovo should fix the hardware based on input from Fedora developers.

I'm sorry about your experience with Lenovo's support. But I'm not surprised.