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Posted Feb 17, 2025 17:49 UTC (Mon) by marcH (subscriber, #57642)
In reply to: RIIR by pizza
Parent article: Rewriting essential Linux packages in Rust

> Just because *you* dismiss it as irrelevant doesn't make it so.

It's irrelevant to "Is uutils innovation?" which is the very specific disagreement in this subthread. Feel free to discuss software marginal costs or any other very interesting but unrelated question anywhere else.

> The world is far larger than you.

Thanks, that's very useful to know.

> So... the "innovation" here is "Figuring out how to make Rust good enough to compete with stuff that's existed for decades?"

Yes. It's a very important innovation milestone towards getting rid of memory corruption and 70% of vulnerabilities in operating systems, browsers (the other operating system) and more. You're entitled to your definition of "innovation" but mine does not stop outside the lab.

It's just a word definition; let's agree to disagree.

> "helping the battery company scale up" is an example of longer-term planning and/or investment, not innovation.

Not for the very first customer, no. It's most often a partnership and a huge bet.


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Posted Feb 17, 2025 17:57 UTC (Mon) by marcH (subscriber, #57642) [Link]

> ... your definition of "innovation" but mine does not stop outside the lab.

Simply because many "innovations" die once they leave the lab.

This is especially true with software which gets created and dies orders of magnitude more than in other fields (darn, and now I'm close to making your economic digression relevant...)

RIIR

Posted Feb 19, 2025 7:00 UTC (Wed) by marcH (subscriber, #57642) [Link]

> > So... the "innovation" here is "Figuring out how to make Rust good enough to compete with stuff that's existed for decades?"

> Yes. It's a very important innovation milestone towards getting rid of memory corruption and 70% of vulnerabilities in ...

From https://lwn.net/Articles/1008721/

> Ultimately, Poettering said that he is "happy to play ball" but does not want systemd to be the ones to solve the problems that need to be solved in order to use Rust.

That's the boring, last part of innovation: making it "mainstream". Rust is getting very close but not quite there yet. If ever?


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