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'can be read' is not a valid standard of reading

'can be read' is not a valid standard of reading

Posted Jan 29, 2025 23:25 UTC (Wed) by ballombe (subscriber, #9523)
In reply to: Drew DeVault has officially lost it by jzb
Parent article: FOSDEM keynote causes concerns

If 'can be read" is the new standard here, I do not feel safe to comment anymore. English is such an ambiguous language that anything that non-native speaker write 'can be read' in a hundred different way.
Context matters. Especially If you allow selective quoting by using ellipsis.

You could just have said, "Calling someone lolcow is offensive and unwelcome on LWN". That does not require 'can be read'.


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'can be read' is not a valid standard of reading

Posted Jan 30, 2025 0:03 UTC (Thu) by NYKevin (subscriber, #129325) [Link] (1 responses)

Let's not be melodramatic here. LWN is within their rights to make reasonable moderation choices about what comments they wish to host on their website. The original comment was at the very least suggesting that a heckler's veto applies to DeVault and LWN should therefore avoid covering him, which is already a problematic argument even if you don't interpret it as a threat of any kind.

But reading it as a threat is not out of the question either. The hypothetical of someone committing an act of violence against DeVault because he wrote something "wrong" on his blog seems (to my mind) so absurd as to be farcical. But if we don't think that's a serious possibility, then that leaves 2½ other readings: The comment can be read as pure trolling (suggesting a danger which does not exist, for the purpose of upsetting people), as a veiled threat (suggesting that the commenter will create the danger), or as an intentionally ambiguous mixture of both. Either way, it does not belong on LWN.

'can be read' is not a valid standard of reading

Posted Jan 30, 2025 11:42 UTC (Thu) by jhe (guest, #164815) [Link]

It doesn't need to be an assault. It is already a big amount of mental stress if strangers paintball or spray your house. This has happened before.

Whatever, if y'all are sure that Drew got this situation under control, I'll shut up about it.

'can be read' is not a valid standard of reading

Posted Jan 30, 2025 0:40 UTC (Thu) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link]

The name-calling was definitely part of the decision here; we could have made that more explicit.


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