Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:46:09 -0600
From: Ean Schuessler <ean@novare.net>
To: java-linux@java.blackdown.org
Subject: More Commercial Java


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Hi,

Here is a copy of an initial proposal I am bouncing off my first line
contact at JavaSoft/Sun. Please give me any feedback.

Also, since java-linux.org is not yet taken I am preparing to take it.
If it is widely agreed that someone else should hold the domain then I 
will happily release it. I will probably take action on this so that we
don't have the same trouble debian.net and debian.com did.

Anyhoo, read the attached.
 
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Ean Schuessler                                             As above
Novare International Inc.                                  so below
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A Proposal for Improving the Java-Linux Support Problem

With the rapidly increasing momentum of the Open Source movement and
important recent events such as the Netscape announcement it has
become more obvious than ever that Sun/JavaSoft and the Open Source
community must maintain a tight and agreeable working
relationship. The unique nature of the Open Source movement poses
unique problems for a large organization when it comes to support and
interaction. The significant intellectual resources of the Open Source
movement cannot be denied but the decentralized architecture makes
one- to-one interaction difficult, unfamiliar and unwieldy. This is
why we have come to you.

What we wish to establish is an intermediary organization that reduces
the clerical overhead required to interact with our members. We will
provide facilities to collect bug reports, patches, improvements,
advice and other results of our operation and feed them to your
organization in a timely and accessible manner. This will make the
proposition of supporting Open Source a more palatable scenario. In
turn you will support our members, via our organization, in the manner
and with the level of seriousness that our goals require. Our job will
be to eliminate noise from the system and make the proposition of
supporting the Open Source software constituency more of a business
advantage than anything else.

Specifically in the case of Java we would like to have early access to
source and binaries; access to internal bug-reporting systems and
personnel; access to internal development resources such as news
groups, mailing lists and newsletters; and basically any other
resource that would be made available to a "first class"
licensee. Realizing that some of these requests may border on the
outrageous for business reasons we may not be aware of, please educate
us on what we can or cannot reasonably receive.

In order to offset the costs imposed by our needs on your operation we
are willing to organize reasonable fund-raising efforts and cost
sharing situations. Please be aware, however, that you are not dealing
with a multi-national sales organization with extensive revenues but
rather with a multi-national collective of Java users with extensive
knowledge and influence. This being the case we urge you to consider
that we offer you a wealth of that most precious coin, human energy
and talent, of which money is only a faceless and second-hand
abstraction.

It is our most fervent desire to utilize the technologies that your
organization has developed, and we hope that you will work with us to
arrive at a mutually beneficial relationship.

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