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Kino makes video editing simple (NewsForge)

forthy — 2005-08-24T13:04:43+00:00

I don't use Kino (the GUI part), but the command line tool dvgrab only.
You can set it to export quicktime .mov files. This works fine for me, and
both mencoder and cinelerra can read the resulting .mov files.

For quick&dirty removing of scenes, mencoder is the tool of choice for me.
You simply rm the scenes you don't want to keep, and then mencode all the
remaining scenes into one mpeg4 movie (non-linear file-system based video
editing ;-).

I don't like cinelerra; it's crashy, the GUI is non-intuitive, and often
quirky. It is powerful, though (or at least it appears to be, being
crashy, I lost patience to try too much).

What I really would like to have is a render engine, which takes a command
script, and a GUI which allows you to construct such a command script. The
render engine should be capable to play such a script with at least two
movies and several effects. I don't like monolithic applications; the
non-linear video editor itself should not do the rendering, it should use
a command-driven render tool. The editor should be able to browse through
scenes, mark begin/end of effects, and so on - reliable, non-crashing.

Probably it's simply that I'm not a GUI person for complex tasks. I don't
typeset texts with a GUI editor, I use TeX. Why should I use a GUI for
cutting movies? It's ok to have a GUI to select points within the scene -
there you need the immediate visual feedback. Cutting has the same sort of
high-level things to think about as typesetting; you have chapters,
scenes, and intra-scene cuts. There's a lot more to it, but most of it can
be said in words without a thousand pictures (the thousand pictures come
out of the process, anyway).

Cinelerra makes video editing powerful

man_ls — 2005-08-22T15:00:32+00:00

I use Kino 0.7.5 on Debian Sarge; it behaves correctly when exporting to QuickTime: I use export to "DV File" then select "Quicktime DV". But usually I just capture with the same settings (Edit -> Preferences -> Capture -> Quicktime DV), so that all clips are automatically stored as Quicktime .mov files. I can't think of anything else, sorry.

By the way, Cinelerra takes some time to get used to; be patient.

Kino makes video editing simple (NewsForge)

LarsOlesen — 2005-08-22T07:31:58+00:00

I have only used Kino so far but I am interested in shifting to Cinelerra. However I can't export my video material to quicktime from Kino, since Kino seg-faults each time I try.
Also I have tried to convert my DV files using dv2mov and this also causes a seg-fault.

Can anyone here advise me about what to do?

My system is:
Pentium 4 2GHz, 1GB RAM, 200GB HDD, running on LVM and JFS formatted.
OS: Mandriva 2005 LE, and KDE.

Kino makes video editing simple (NewsForge)

man_ls — 2005-08-21T10:39:28+00:00

I have used Kino for a video project, and it is great for importing DV via firewire. Then you do your serious work (edition and effects) using Cinelerra, which is a powerful (if somewhat buggy) multitrack nonlinear editor. The combination is hard to beat.

Kino makes video editing simple (NewsForge)

lolando — 2005-08-20T19:44:11+00:00

> And this "new application" is?

It's called "MLT", it's hosted at http://mlt.sf.net/

Kino makes video editing simple (NewsForge)

Xanadu — 2005-08-20T12:03:48+00:00

Ummm...

And this "new application" is?

...

Kino makes video editing simple (NewsForge)

cantsin — 2005-08-19T18:57:33+00:00

Problem is that Kino doesn't seem to be actively developed any longer.
Since quite some time, the developer list has turned into a user self-help
forum. If I am not mistaken, the original developers have turned to new
project which is more a video/mulrimedia editing framework than an actual
end-user application, apparently because some severe limitations in Kino
(above all: no multitrack editing) can't be solved with Kino's design and
codebase.