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Summarizing the PWC driver questions/answers

From:  Greg KH <greg-AT-kroah.com>
To:  linux-kernel-AT-vger.kernel.org, linux-usb-devel-AT-lists.sourceforge.net
Subject:  Summarizing the PWC driver questions/answers
Date:  Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:26:13 -0700

So, I've gotten a lot of emails about this topic, so I'll just answer
them all here in public, and point people at them when they ask them
again:

First off, here's Nemosoft's big post about the driver, please read that
first, and the responses to that thread:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.devel/26310

And here's Linus's response after I removed the driver, when Nemosoft
asked me to:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/229968

Oh, and there's now a lwn.net thread too:
http://lwn.net/Articles/99615/

Ok, on to the questions:

Q: Why did you remove the hook from the pwc driver?
A: It was there for the explicit purpose to support a binary only
   module.  That goes against the kernel's documented procedures, so I
   had to take it out.

Q: That hook had been in there for years!  Why did you suddenly decide
   to remove it now?
A: I was really not aware of the hook, and the fact that it was only
   good for a binary module to use.  I'm sorry, I should have realized
   this years ago, but I didn't.  Recently someone pointed this hook out
   to me, and the fact that it really didn't belong in there due to the
   kernel's policy of such hooks.  So, once I became aware of it, I had
   no choice but to remove it.

Q: Why did you delete the whole pwc driver from the tree?
A: That is what the original author (Nemosoft) wanted to happen.  It was
   his request, and I honored it.  Go ask him why he wanted it out if
   you are upset about this, I merely accepted his decision as he was
   the current maintainer and author of the code.

Q: But you took away my freedom!  Isn't Linux about freedom?
A: Again, it was Nemosoft's decision.  The kernel also has to abide by
   it's documented procedures, so that is why the hook had to go.
   Remember, the original driver was released under the GPL, so you are
   free to take that code and maintain it if you so desire.  I'd gladly
   support someone taking the GPL code and agreeing to maintain it, and
   resubmitting it for inclusion in the main kernel tree.  That's the
   freedom that Linux provides, no closed source OS would allow you to
   do that, if a company pulled support for a product (which happens all
   the time.)

Q: You jerk, I had invested lots of money in this camera, you are
   costing me money by ripping it out.  You should be ashamed of
   yourself!
A: See the above question about freedom.  If it means that much to you,
   then offer to maintain the code, it's that simple.

Q: You are keeping companies from wanting to write binary drivers for
   Linux.
A: Duh!  What do you think all of the kernel developers have been
   stating for years, in public.  Binary drivers only take from Linux,
   they do not give back anything.  See Andrew Morton's OLS 2004 keynote
   address for more information and background on this topic.

Q: You are a fundamentalist turd / jerk / pompous ass /
   GNU-freebeer-biased-idiot-fundamentalist fucktard / ignorant slut!
A: I've been called worse by better people, get over yourself.

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Summarizing the PWC driver questions/answers

Posted Aug 27, 2004 19:17 UTC (Fri) by horen (guest, #2514) [Link] (5 responses)

"ignorant slut"?

I thought his first name was "Greg", not "Jane"!

troll

Posted Aug 27, 2004 19:39 UTC (Fri) by stephen_pollei (guest, #23348) [Link] (3 responses)

I thought Greg's FAQ was very well point together. There is no reason to debase yourself by resorting to profanity.

troll

Posted Aug 27, 2004 20:51 UTC (Fri) by fjalvingh (guest, #4803) [Link]

Read, my friend.

troll

Posted Aug 27, 2004 21:19 UTC (Fri) by TimCunningham (guest, #10316) [Link]

He's quoting the FAQ and making / continuing the reference to Saturday Night Live. It's a joke, relax.

troll

Posted Aug 28, 2004 19:18 UTC (Sat) by branden (guest, #7029) [Link]

Heh. Someone did just embarrass themselves very badly, and it wasn't the guy you replied to. :)

[Hint: This is LWN, not Slashdot. You are expected to read the article before commenting on it.]

Summarizing the PWC driver questions/answers

Posted Aug 30, 2004 12:55 UTC (Mon) by fjf33 (guest, #5768) [Link]

Is taht a reference to sex? Can there be ale sluts or is it only female sluts? English is not my first language. Is this a language thing or a cultural thing? What I mean is that there are words taht have the same meaning in every region and there are words that don't. Is this one an example of the ones that don't?

Summarizing the PWC driver questions/answers

Posted Aug 27, 2004 23:32 UTC (Fri) by dmarti (subscriber, #11625) [Link]

Andrew Morton's Speech at Ottawa Linux Symposium 2004 - Transcript

Use Binary-Only Kernel Modules, Hate Life ( "Most houses that use Linux a lot say that they won't support binary modules because they can't. They may work, but you're not getting the full advantage of Linux" -- Linus Torvalds)


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