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China's OSS alliance is founded to withstand Microsoft (China Economic Net)
China Economic Net
reports on efforts to upset Microsoft's dominance in China.
"It will be possible for Thiz Technology Group Limited, who focuses on personal desktop operating systems, to make its assault on Microsoft in the desktop field. The first step that they choose to take is talent cultivation, which has never happened before.
It is well known that at present there are two mainstream computer operating systems in the world, namely Microsoft's Windows and the globally open Linux. Among them, Windows that is familiar to personal computer users has been monopolizing the computer desktop market for almost 10 years, while Linux, which has been forced to simply cooperate with some corporate users, has failed to get the correct approach to cut into the personal computer desktop market."
Thanks to Chel van Gennip.
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China's OSS alliance is founded to withstand Microsoft (China Economic Net) Posted Aug 13, 2004 7:15 UTC (Fri) by evgeny (subscriber, #774) [Link] It is generally accepted inside the industry that the biggest problems for Linux to be controlled lie in two aspects: firstly, it has no sufficient application software; secondly, there is a lack of talents and too few people can use Linux. "lack of talents" compared to what? Windows programmers?!
China's OSS alliance is founded to withstand Microsoft (China Economic Net) Posted Aug 13, 2004 11:07 UTC (Fri) by crankysysadmin (guest, #19449) [Link] No, they mean "lack of talents" in the sense that end-users have to have more "talents" to use GNU/Linux.
I find it hard to believe that he makes either of these claims seriously, especially the first. OpenOffice, Abiword, Scribus, Gnumeric, Evolution...
China's OSS alliance is founded to withstand Microsoft (China Economic Net) Posted Aug 13, 2004 12:52 UTC (Fri) by hppnq (subscriber, #14462) [Link] The bigger part of the article is about a Linux software provider cranking out software for the masses, maybe that explains it. ;-)
China's OSS alliance is founded to withstand Microsoft (China Economic Net) Posted Aug 13, 2004 7:29 UTC (Fri) by lolando (subscriber, #7139) [Link] > It is well known that at present there are two mainstream computer> operating systems in the world, namely Microsoft's Windows and the globally > open Linux.
Now that's interesting. Whatever happened to the Mac? I assume the journalist has a slight tendency to see things as binary, and neglect the sides considered irrelevant to his debate. Even so, it's still a sign that the media are realising Linux on the desktop really does exist (and work).
"World domination is proceeding according to plan."
Linux & MS "mainstream", not Apple? Posted Aug 13, 2004 8:53 UTC (Fri) by Duncan (guest, #6647) [Link] > Whatever happened to the Mac?Keep in mind where this is from. I'm not a Mac head and don't know their distribution, but it'd surprise me if they were as large a factor in much of Asia as they are here in the US, and in Western Europe. Since this article is from Chinese Economic News, I'd expect it to have a Chinese viewpoint, and likely, from there, Linux has been ahead of Apple for some time, where it's only catching up to Apple in the West, now. (About six months ago LWN I believe it was carried a story on Linux about to surpass Apple as the number two, but I'm not sure if that was US, Western, or Global. If it was global and Apple never did really have a share in Asia, then Apple would still be #2, if slipping, here in the US and possibly in Western Europe as well.) I don't know what the share would be in Australia/NZ either, or Eastern Europe and Russia, tho I'd guess Linux would be stronger in the latter as well, and I know there's a strong Linux presence down under but don't know if Apple has much of a presence there or not. However, I think I've seen Ausies on LWN discussions b4, so maybe they can say. In any case, it *IS* heartening to see MS and Linux mentioned as the big two, with Apple not mentioned (not that I have anything against Apple, but..). I'll definitely agree there! Duncan
Linux & MS "mainstream", not Apple? Posted Aug 13, 2004 12:09 UTC (Fri) by ibukanov (subscriber, #3942) [Link] In Russia and other former Soviet Union countries Mac simply does not exist. Few publishing agencies use them but that probably about it.For example, I do not remember if I even heard about pirated software for Mac, but pirates sell Linux distributions for about 2 USD per disk as they do with any other software.
Linux & MS "mainstream", not Apple? Posted Aug 13, 2004 12:12 UTC (Fri) by stumbles (guest, #8796) [Link] I am not aware of any major Linux distribution that can be "pirated".
Linux & MS "mainstream", not Apple? Posted Aug 13, 2004 13:17 UTC (Fri) by petebull (subscriber, #7857) [Link] SuSE releases had non-free software in it, and only SuSE got permissionto redistribute the products from the propietary software writers. And were there not Mandrake releases that were available only to the Mandrake Club subscribers for a period of time? And while you could reproduce RedHat CD-sets you were not allowed to reproduce the artwork because of trademark policy. Can you come up with another major (in my sense: profit motivated) distribution? I don't know anything of Connectivas distribution. Any errors I made above are mine, so please report them with the reply function ;)
Linux & MS "mainstream", not Apple? Posted Aug 13, 2004 15:18 UTC (Fri) by QuisUtDeus (guest, #14854) [Link] Of course, these was/is Caldera... (*ducks quickly*)
Linux & MS "mainstream", not Apple? Posted Aug 13, 2004 19:26 UTC (Fri) by proski (subscriber, #104) [Link] You guessed it. Caldera Linux is what you'll find next to Windows XP and Adobe Photoshop on Russian CD bazaars.
Linux & MS "mainstream", not Apple? Posted Aug 13, 2004 22:52 UTC (Fri) by ibukanov (subscriber, #3942) [Link] To comply with GPL any distributor must either include the source or provide written guaranty that he will provide the source upon request for 3 years. It is not enough to simply point to the software author web site. http://busybox.net/license.html summarize that nicely.So technically any binary Linux CD sold without such guarantor is a violation of copyright laws. Linux "resellers" I saw in Moscow or Minsk almost never have source CDs and I guess they do not include any written offers either ;)
Linux & MS "mainstream", not Apple? Posted Aug 13, 2004 15:59 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link] Of course there is pirated software for Mac! You only need to ask - but of course it'll cost extra. As I recall when my friend needed CodeWarrior for Mac he was forced to pay $5 per CD (4 CD in total) instead of usual $2 and wait for two days but it was available. Lindows^H^H^H^H^HLinspire or Xandros on the other hand is readily available for standard $2 - almost like Windows software so we can safely guess it's more widespread then Mac...
Linux & MS "mainstream", not Apple? Posted Aug 16, 2004 2:03 UTC (Mon) by xoddam (subscriber, #2322) [Link] Macintoshes are very popular in Australia ... probably they have asimilar market share to the US, though they didn't get quite the same boost from public schools that they did in America (home-grown Microbees did, but they couldn't last; they were as far behind the curve in the 1980s as Apple was ahead of it).
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