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A portrait of an "analyst"
For the morbidly curious, SCO has posted the
text of Rob Enderle's keynote from SCOforum. Suffice to say it gives a
good picture of the sort of person we are dealing with.
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A portrait of an "analyst" Posted Aug 10, 2004 15:05 UTC (Tue) by ewan (subscriber, #5533) [Link] Possibly a somewhat airbrushed picture; Groklaw's coverage suggests that the speech contained a lot of swearing, as did an early version of the transcript; much of that seems to not be there any more.
That may explain it. Posted Aug 10, 2004 15:28 UTC (Tue) by jre (guest, #2807) [Link] Possibly a somewhat airbrushed picture ...I, too, was led to expect much more foul language than I found here. Of course, PJ is quite intolerant of swearing (a trait I find rather charming), and it may be that the occasional "BS" was sufficient to trip the cuss alarms. Mostly, this speech struck me as an ill-conceived rant by a paranoid, belligerent, narcissistic boob. To give credit where it's due, though, Mr. Enderle is fairly clever in anticipating such characterizations. Much of his speech was along the lines of Groklaw calls me a 'paranoid, belligerent, narcissistic boob.' Hah! They only hate me because I'm important and ranked number one for influence, and they'd better watch out because I travel armed, and I'll get them yet!
That may explain it. Posted Aug 10, 2004 16:16 UTC (Tue) by allesfresser (guest, #216) [Link] I too find PJ's intolerance of orc-language very pleasant and charming. And of course, this piece by Mr. Enderle fits that description to a T... you can almost imagine it being spoken by the Fighting Uruk-hai, if they were technology consultants instead of the low-tech type of thugs.
That may explain it. Posted Aug 12, 2004 6:23 UTC (Thu) by MortenSickel (subscriber, #3238) [Link] you can almost imagine it being spoken by the Fighting Uruk-hai, if they were technology consultants instead of the low-tech type of thugs.And then I had my coffee all over the keyboard... Mental note to self: Finish coffee before starting reading lwn comments, some of the comments there are just too good. M.
A portrait of an "analyst" Posted Aug 10, 2004 16:23 UTC (Tue) by ncm (subscriber, #165) [Link] Leave it to Rob Enderle to put the "anal" in "analyst".I would feel for all those people whose careers he must have blighted, in his self-deluded way, if I really believed he had the influence he says he did. Of course, for every Rob Enderle who wishes he could blight careers, there's a Doug Nassaur who really does.
A portrait of an "analyst" Posted Aug 10, 2004 15:46 UTC (Tue) by allesfresser (guest, #216) [Link] When someone says that people that are verbally abusive "aren't worth the air they breathe"... isn't that being a little self-abusive?
A portrait of an "analyst" Posted Aug 11, 2004 1:35 UTC (Wed) by fLameDogg (guest, #11305) [Link] Yes, in a weirdly, yet quite characteristically narcissistic way.
freedom Posted Aug 10, 2004 15:59 UTC (Tue) by mooobo (guest, #23547) [Link] Rob, you've got the freedom to tell everybody your opinion and here it is.Thanks. So that's "free speech" to talk about "free beer".... But you completely missed the point of Free Software: It is about writing the software that you want to and give it away to everybody. It's about X, the usevalue you get, and Y, your own efforts where X/Y will always be far greater than 1, granted that Y is always greater than zero. You are not allown in misunderstanding the word "Free" in Free Software. Call it Open Source and you'll be fine next time.
A portrait of an "analyst" Posted Aug 10, 2004 16:18 UTC (Tue) by kh (subscriber, #19413) [Link] choice quotes:"I watched the tapes of the Nuremburg experiments that showcased how people put in positions of authority could be ordered to torture and kill other people and that the majority of those tested in the study failed the "humanity" test. Groups of people can do really bad things and not failing the humanity test became a personal goal. Stop for a moment and take the macro view, how does the behavior of the Linux attack force that has been focused on SCO and Microsoft really differ from other hate groups. If I even named these groups I would lose you so I won't, but isn't the behavior similar?"
"I traveled armed for 4 years under constant threat of death"
" I have a serious problem with people who are abusive, particularly those who use any excuse to cross the line into physical, emotional or verbal abuse. In my view this is uncalled for and the people who utilize this practice, this is a direct quote for Groklaw, aren't worth the air they breathe."
"after 911, Columbine, the east coast sniper, the people who have gone to work, their law offices, government offices, and killed others we would have all lost our tolerance for those that resort to physical threats. But while I'm sure that people would see that threatening a person's spouse or children is bad,
" and especially IBM, can make and to what extreme lengths executives will go to cover them up. You just have to look at Enron, WorldCom and Martha Stewart to get a sense of how power unchecked can corrupt."
"I hear Free I want to look at the small print. I don't understand how people can go on "Free" Vacations which have at their core an incredibly painful sales process that locks you into a "timeshare" you could have bought for a fraction of the price on the web. Isn't a time share always "used"?"
Funny - trying to associate off-shoring with Free software:
A portrait of an "analyst" Posted Aug 10, 2004 17:19 UTC (Tue) by gowen (guest, #23914) [Link] "I watched the tapes of the Nuremburg experiments that showcased how people put in positions of authority could be ordered to torture and kill other people and that the majority of those tested in the study failed the "humanity" test.Err, this man is a fool. Those experiments had *nothing* to do with Nuremberg, which is most famous for Nazi rallies and war crimes trials. The experiments he's probably alluding to were carried out by Stanley Milgram of Yale University in the good old USA.
A portrait of an "analyst" Posted Aug 10, 2004 17:26 UTC (Tue) by rriggs (subscriber, #11598) [Link] Not so much a fool. He has managed to mix two metaphors quite effectively in this case. (Please don't read this as me agreeing with what this tool has to say. I am just saying that it was an effective rhetorical device.)
Nice try, Mr. Enderle Posted Aug 10, 2004 17:53 UTC (Tue) by jre (guest, #2807) [Link] [I]t was an effective rhetorical device.Indeed, in the environments Rob Enderle has become used to, this kind of hooey usually does go unchallenged, because not enough of his audience has the time, knowledge and interest to examine it critically. But not here. Among the comments in Groklaw, we find this from droth: Also, he completely misses the point of the experiements. Dr. Milgram's experiment was about how ordinary people react to people in positions of authority, not how people in authority act. Also, the statement "groups of poeple can do really bad things" has nothing to do with the experiments. The experiments measured how individuals react to authority. Groups were never a factor.This is exactly why Enderle is so paranoid about Groklaw. With so many interested observers, one of them is almost certain to know the facts about the subject in question, and your chances of getting away with blatant -- shall we say, fertilizer -- are practically nil
A portrait of an "analyst" Posted Aug 10, 2004 17:43 UTC (Tue) by fandom (subscriber, #4028) [Link] He is not talking about expermients but the real thing, the people whowere in extermination camps and the like. And he doesn't sound like a fool to me, he manages to make us look like nazi, bullies who steal lunch money, killers and what not, if he wasn't always talking about how great he is he could almost sound like a reasonable man.
A portrait of an "analyst" Posted Aug 11, 2004 8:08 UTC (Wed) by hppnq (subscriber, #14462) [Link] Anyone in their right mind will immmediately recognize that this man needs professional psychiatric help.
A portrait of an "analyst" Posted Aug 11, 2004 15:44 UTC (Wed) by gowen (guest, #23914) [Link] He is not talking about expermients but the real thing, the people who were in extermination camps and the likeHow did you reach the conclusion? There were no extermination camps at Nuremburg. he manages to make us look like nazi, bulliesComparing your opponents to Nazis is never effective. And it makes one look like an idiot.
A portrait of an "analyst" Posted Aug 10, 2004 17:46 UTC (Tue) by mikesalib (guest, #17162) [Link] While Milgrams experiments were originally conducted in New Haven CT, I believe they were later replicated in several countries around the world, including Germany.
That doesn't change the fact that he failed to appropriately cite Milgram. To be honest, I can't tell whether this guy is both biased and unintelligant or suffering from serious mental illness.
A portrait of an "analyst" Posted Aug 10, 2004 17:49 UTC (Tue) by alexp (guest, #10320) [Link] I actually am Bill Gates Love slave, was fired from IBM for mooning Louis Gerstner, have a huge personal investment in SCO, and regularly steal candy from little defenseless babies. ...There are people who get up every day, work a 9 to 5 and go home to their families trading their lives for varying degrees of cash. In my view, though clearly not theirs, they are selling their lives very cheaply. These are wage slaves and the difference between people like that and a zombie is generally lost on me. What's up with all the slave business?
A portrait of an "analyst" Posted Aug 10, 2004 17:55 UTC (Tue) by stumbles (guest, #8796) [Link] I wouldn't exactly call Enderle an analyst. At least not in the conventional sense.From most of his, umm, articles. He spends IMO an inordinate amount of verbage pontificating about his personal experiences. This must make at least the third time now I have read something of his (which I always regret) where mention is made of a shotgun and some type of infidelity. How any of that has some to do with his reason for being at the SCOG forum totally eludes me.
A portrait of an "analyst" Posted Aug 10, 2004 18:33 UTC (Tue) by allesfresser (guest, #216) [Link] From what I gathered when reading the article, the shotgun incident had absolutely nothing to do with Enderle at all... it appeared that someone had decided to take violent revenge for something a third party did and caused the director of HR to be removed from his/her position (whether through injury, death or mental stress) and Enderle took his/her place. So...once again it had nothing to do with Enderle. He just decided he didn't want to be the next target of a shotgun-toting hothead. I can't say that I disagree with that sentiment, but I can't for the life of me see how it has anything to do with SCO or free software.
Unrelated metaphors Posted Aug 12, 2004 7:55 UTC (Thu) by pauly (subscriber, #8132) [Link] sounds to me as if he is strongly trying to make SCO appear the scapegout atany price. All those OS advocates are those who keep bullying the poor SCO folks, just to take away their hard-earned money/IP/future careers/whatever. SCO is David, and we are Goliath. No episode or metaphor, however far-fetched, unrelated, ill-cited or blatantly wrong seems too absurd to be used in the picture. But we now have another problem: We definitely need a large piece of land -- except someone knows how to dispose of such amounts of -- eh, fertilizer? (thanks, jre)
A portrait of an "analyst" Posted Aug 10, 2004 20:50 UTC (Tue) by steven97 (guest, #2702) [Link] Hey, Darl has a Parrot!
OK, one last post Posted Aug 10, 2004 23:22 UTC (Tue) by jre (guest, #2807) [Link] And I can't leave this subject without commenting on the following:I have a serious problem with people who are abusive, particularly those who use any excuse to cross the line into physical, emotional or verbal abuse. In my view this is uncalled for and the people who utilize this practice, this is a direct quote for Groklaw, aren't worth the air they breathe.This quote is itself an attempt at abuse, albeit a feeble one. No, Mr. Enderle, no one at Groklaw (or LWN, for that matter) has subjected you to verbal abuse. But if we wanted to, we know how.
Standing up Posted Aug 11, 2004 0:56 UTC (Wed) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link] Rob is at his best here: Standing up for SCO and Microsoft Geez, poor old Microsoft, they need Rob to defend them. BWAHAHA! And how good of Rob to take poor SCO's side that have been attacked. Hang on! Wait a minute - wasn't it SCO that started this whole thing? I must remember incorrectly... Sorry, appologies SCO. Removing all those millions of lines of infringing code right now. If I only knew what they were. BWAHAHA! Just can't stop laughing. Rob cracks me up, he really does. The man is a comedian, don't you think? But I think all that hate toward Linux folk is going to get him. When you hate, it only affects you after all. And poor Rob seems to be burning out from it. Ah well, one less fool in the world.
"Good picture" was probably not a wise choice of words. Perhaps "clear picture"? Posted Aug 11, 2004 3:49 UTC (Wed) by leonbrooks (guest, #1494) [Link] Given that his laptop says "Vrrrrm... vrrrrm..." when he switches it on,his choice of personal armament will probably extend a little pole and unroll the word "BANG!" on a banner.
Some valid points Posted Aug 11, 2004 12:08 UTC (Wed) by ringerc (subscriber, #3071) [Link] I think he makes a few valid points in about the first third of the article, starting well and making less solid points as he goes along. By the time he got to That is why I stood up for SCO; they were being attacked because they were vulnerable., he'd mostly lost me. The whole "spies" stuff didn't help, either. It would be nice if people would consider the possibly valid - or at least less stupid - stuff, though I must admit that the rest of the article severely detracts from the credibility of the early parts. In particular, his comments about many people's tendancies to write everything off as FUD strike closer to home than would perhaps be desirable. This is IMHO becoming a real issue, though only for a subset of the community. It's related to the tendency to believe oft-repeated claims without critical evaluation of them ("many eyes", etc). I don't have a strong position on many of those beliefs, and tend to favour most, but I'd like it if people stopped treating them as set fact in their writing. Also, I think some of his comments about Groklaw's credibility are valid. Especially since PJ began calling herself a journalist (while failing to even try to make a distinction between opinion pieces, personal comments, and factual reporting) that's been bothering me. Increasingly nasty comments about people also don't help, especially the recent stuff about Sun. No matter how the author feels privately, if they're claiming to be a journalist then that's not appropriate for a story about current events, and damages Groklaw's credibility rather than making a point. Some of the most interesting and credible articles on Groklaw have simply let the subject's own nonsensical and conflicting statements (as researched from historical references or as made in different situations) stand against them. After that, we start getting into the rather tired economic arguments about governments collapsing due to lack of taxes, etc. Arguments that I feel are even a bit ridiculous. Even if the entire software industry fell apart and that somehow caused a direct commensurate in GDP rather than pick-up in other areas, I don't see how that could possibly cause sufficient financial harm to governments as to risk them collapsing. As it is, I remain unconvinced that any areas that /are/ harmed (and some will be) won't simply result in other areas gaining business. There's also the unauthorised copy of UNIX stuff, which is again a bit tired, though he has as much right to his opinon right now as I do to mine. What I did find amusing was the comment Only HP has the power and resources to truly indemnify a Linux buyer and those of you on UnixWare, FreeBSD, and Microsoft products will probably get the last laugh. Why is FreeBSD in that list, given the earlier spiel about the evils of free (ie gratis, open source, or libre - the usage varies) software? The confusion between Open Source, Free Software in the software libre sense, gratis software (as "free software" was sometimes used in the article), and proprietary ad-ware and spyware was pretty awful. A considerable part of the discussion was devoted, unfortunately, to making analgies between apples and rocket ships. It would also be nice if he'd make his awareness that not all the OSS folks are foaming zealots sending death threats more visible in his public writing. I don't know about other readers, but no matter how much somebody's opinions differed from mine, I tend to believe they should at least be argued with in a civilised manner. Sadly, I don't doubt that the death threat stuff is accurate - I've met too many people who are exactly that stupid.
Some valid points Posted Aug 11, 2004 16:23 UTC (Wed) by hppnq (subscriber, #14462) [Link] Especially since PJ began calling herself a journalist [...] that's been bothering me.But it doesn't bother you that Mr Enderle calls himself an analyst? If you found the speech reasonable, you might enjoy this follow-up, which is hilarious as well.
Some valid points Posted Aug 12, 2004 0:20 UTC (Thu) by edomaur (subscriber, #14520) [Link] I'm probably too much a FOSS believer, but his talk doesn't even start to make a bit of sense in my view. I cannot understand what he is saying. Sad, isn't it ?
Enderle is setting himself up Posted Aug 11, 2004 16:49 UTC (Wed) by rjw (guest, #10415) [Link] Heres a silly conspiracy:
Enderle been consistently going on about death threats and dying for what you believe in .
He's going to fake his own death ( or so he thinks, it might be more real than he has agreed to.... ), and it'll be used to try to discredit the whole community.
I don't really believe this, but how could we actually deal with this?
I'll put my $0.02 in Posted Aug 14, 2004 20:05 UTC (Sat) by X-Nc (guest, #1661) [Link] I commented on this keynote speech he gave in my blog. Nothing special, just my perspective on him.http://x-nc.blogspot.com/2004/08/i-finally-understand-rob-enderle.html
It sure would be nice if people with common sense were actually in a position like Mr. Enderle is. Instead we get his valueless blathering which is absolutely worthless.
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