Just PRINT the ballot [LWN.net]

Just PRINT the ballot

Posted Sep 12, 2002 17:37 UTC (Thu) by ksmathers (subscriber, #2353)
In reply to: Just PRINT the ballot by pflugstad
Parent article: Where free software should be required by law

Printing a machine readable copy of the completed ballot is necessary but not sufficient I think. The printed ballot also has to be human readable; otherwise any electronic recording system would be sufficient. What you want is a way to visually verify that the vote has been recorded correctly.

My first guess would be to use an OCR font to print the information in plain english. The records that the machine uses to maintain its count must be in the same format so that any printed voting record can be accurately compared to the corresponding database record, by independently developed software if need be. Also the OCR'able output should be printed twice, once for the voter, and once for the voting machine, preferably one being a carbon copy of the other, like the output from cash registers.

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Just PRINT the ballot

Posted Sep 13, 2002 16:26 UTC (Fri) by gswoods (guest, #37) [Link]

You most definitely do NOT want the voter to leave the booth with a record
showing how they voted. One reason that you have to vote by going to a
polling place and voting in a booth where nobody can see is that nobody
ever knows how you voted. This is important for preventing coercion. An
abusive husband, for instance, would be able to force his wife to vote how
he wanted her to if he were able to verify how she voted. Other types of
coercion (boss to employee, etc.) are also possible, but are voided if
there is no after-the-fact record of how a person voted.

Yes, this is a problem with absentee ballots too, which is why I am always
opposed to any "voting by mail" schemes. None of them adequately address
the issue of vote coercion.

Just PRINT the ballot

Posted Sep 13, 2002 17:59 UTC (Fri) by pflugstad (subscriber, #224) [Link]

What I meant, which I apparently didn't communicate properly,
is that you print the ballot in both HUMAN and MANCHINE readable
forms, on the same PAGE, one corresponding to the other. The
human form would be OCR capable, but that's not a requirement.

The Human looks at the human part of it and if it looks right,
drops it into a slot right next to the electronic voting machine.
Or they even walk to a seperate ballot box and drop it in - that's
no different than they do now. This turns the computer into a
glorified display engine, which is what it's good at.

If there is any question about the validity of election, these
PAPER ballots are the "official" record. They can be easily run
through a machine reader, which can both tally the vote as well
as try to OCR it and verify the human and machine readable parts
are the same, and maybe put up a copy of the human readable part
on the screen (derived from the machine part) for a HUMAN to verify
that what the machine thinks is on the page is really what the
human saw, etc, etc, etc. If there are *any* descrepencies,
then you know there's a problem with the balloting machines,
and then you hunt down the people responsible for it and convict
them of election fraud.

This is NOT a hard problem. There are *simple* solutions to
all these, and Open Source is not necessarily one of them. I
personally think Open Source would be the *best* way to do it,
but I can see private companies doing it as well and trying to
make money at it.

It's not like the hardware requirements are terribly difficult
- a touch screen and a low end PC platform (regular old Pentium
is probably more than enough) running linux plus some GUI display.
The only hard part is figuring out a cheap, readable printer - you
need a printer that preferably doesn't need ink at all, so you just
have to keep it supplied with paper. Thermal printers are a
possibilty, but their output had traditionally been very poor.
Maybe they've improved. If you have to add ink, then set it up
so that you add ink and paper at the same time, in a simple drop
in package.

But these are all just details. The reason this is failing is
because the idiot politicians are NOT LISTENING to the ENGINEERS.
Instead they are listening to big companies who stand to make
$millions on this, and of COURSE are going to be biased. DOH!

Pete Flugstad

Just PRINT the ballot

Posted Sep 15, 2002 1:44 UTC (Sun) by Baylink (subscriber, #755) [Link]

Indeed, Pete. Apparently, gswoods hasn't ever voted -- you've *always* walked away from the booth with a readable ballot (although perhaps you had to hold it up to a voting machine to read it, but...

*My* personal approach was, indeed, to separate the ballot *validation* from the accelerated electronic *counting* by...

Numbering the races, lettering the candidates (1A - Janet Reno, 1B - Bill McBride), etc, on the voting screen, and then, once the ballot is accepted, *print it out on Polaroid SX-70 film, in OCR font, without the candidate names*, show the voter a screen *with both codes and candidate names*, and then let them compare and approve.

Once they do, they drop the film in a scanner at the table, and it adds the vote to the totals, making a noise and updating a ballot totalizer counter. It then drops into a locked box, with a slot too small to reach into. Say, an ammo box with a replacement cover.

At the end of the night, you plug each counter into a phone line box, and like ET, it phones home.

Simple, reasonably hard to screw with -- it even gives you *something to recount* (say it with me now: "a vote is a physical object") -- and the only *problem* with it is Sequoia Votings Systems will only make about 1/3 as much money.

But who knows, maybe it's just me.

So many things are just me.