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Debian and Taiwanese independenceDebian and Taiwanese independencePosted Jun 6, 2004 15:01 UTC (Sun) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954)In reply to: Debian and Taiwanese independence by smurf Parent article: The new Debian kernel team I'm pretty sure Herbert's "working toward independence" refers not to the discussion, but to the distribution of Debian with Taiwan listed as if it's a sovereign country. The maintainer of the country chooser already distributes Debian that way and told Herbert he would continue to do so. It's still way over the top. The effect that the wording of Debian's country list will have on Taiwanese independence is too small to worry about, and the probability that the maintainer chooses to word it that way in order to effect Taiwanese independence is even smaller. I suspect Herbert isn't being completely honest and what he really objects to, rather than working with people who are working toward making Taiwan independent, is working with people who think it already may be. It isn't fun being around people who don't conform to your view of the world.
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Debian and Taiwanese independence Posted Jun 6, 2004 16:50 UTC (Sun) by smurf (subscriber, #17840) [Link] The Debian maintainer's choice can be overridden if necessary. I suspect, though, that Herbert knows very well that the chance of this actually happening in this case is somewhat small.My personal point of view is admittedly rather simple: the people to whom this matters most is, in the first approximation, the people living in/on Taiwan; unlike those in mainland China, AFAIK, they are free to choose whether to re-join the former. So far, they didn't. QED. This simple view may not map very well to the real world; but then, this is Debian. Debian isn't in the business of faithfully mirroring 100% of the real world...
Debian and Taiwanese independence Posted Jun 7, 2004 6:46 UTC (Mon) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link] The Debian maintainer's choice can be overridden if necessary.I don't think that changes anything. The fact that Taiwan appears in a list of countries someone else made up is going to prejudice a user, ever so slightly, toward thinking that Taiwan is a country. Bad for Herbert's cause. they are free to choose whether to re-join the former. So far, they didn't. QED. (There's somewhat of a syntax problem here -- I assume you're talking about Taiwan rejoining mainland China). I think you're missing the fundamental point of this controversy. Herbert would say there's nothing to rejoin because Taiwan never left: China allows Taiwan a measure of self-government, in the same way that the USA allows Puerto Rico and California a measure of self-government, but that doesn't make it a sovereign country. That could be more than a semantic issue some day, as it was when Iraq tried to assert the non-sovereignty of its Kuwait province in 1991.
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