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Man AdTI Hired to Compare Minix/Linux Found No Copied Code (Groklaw)
Groklaw
looks at some email correspondence by Andrew Tanenbaum on whether
early versions of Linux had any Minix code within.
"Apparently, Ken was expecting me to find gobs of copied source code. He spent most of the conversation trying to convince me that I must have made a mistake, since it was clearly impossible for one person to write an OS and 'code theft' had to have occured. So, I guess what I want to say is, pay no attention to this man. . ."
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Man AdTI Hired to Compare Minix/Linux Found No Copied Code (Groklaw) Posted May 27, 2004 23:13 UTC (Thu) by JoeBuck (subscriber, #2330) [Link] IANAL, and I haven't seen the book yet, but it would seem that Linus might have a pretty good libel/slander case against Ken Brown. If Prof. Tanenbaum and Alexey Toptygin told him what they say they told him, and he ignored what they said and published false claims that Linus copied from Minix anyway, then it seems that this would rise to the "reckless disregard for the truth" standard. On the other hand, Linus might not want to bother with this idiot.
Man AdTI Hired to Compare Minix/Linux Found No Copied Code (Groklaw) Posted May 28, 2004 0:14 UTC (Fri) by rknop (guest, #66) [Link] Almost certainly true that it's not worth Linus' time bothering with this idiot.On the other hand, I'd *love* to see the AdTI taken down! -Rob
Congressman Chris Cox - AdTI director ($11,000 donations from M$) Posted Jun 9, 2004 6:05 UTC (Wed) by LionKuntz (guest, #22183) [Link] USENET GROUP Sci.EnvironmentSubject: Congressman Chris Cox - AdTI director ($11,000 donations from M$) Message-ID: <2275a3c5.0406082201.66f935b4@posting.google.com> Chris Cox - AdTI director ($11,000 donations from M$) So is it just my imagination, or what? Does AdTI director, congressman Does a former CFO of Microsoft on the board of Heritage Foundation And what does this have to do with Townhall.com's FUD campaign that is =================================== COX, Christopher (R-Calif) $11,000 http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/mems.asp?ID=D000000115 House -- Democrats $371,450; Republicans $283,000 Senate -- Democrats $224,677; Republicans $82,000 Incumbents: $961,127; Non-Incumbents: $33,700 MICROSOFT hires national security advisor Hoping to play a larger role in homeland security, MICROSOFT has Many companies are hoping to get a piece of the homeland security What's more, government officials have said they need more cooperation Chris COX to Chair New House Homeland Security Committee On November 25, 2002, President Bush signed HR 3005 (Public Law No: ... Rep. COX was first elected to the Congress in 1988, and has since Monday, January 13 ... 11:00 AM - 1:00 PM. The HERITAGE FOUNDATION will host a panel Harnessing Information Technology to Improve Homeland Security TOM RICHEY, Director of Homeland Security, MICROSOFT Corporation
Man AdTI Hired to Compare Minix/Linux Found No Copied Code (Groklaw) Posted May 28, 2004 1:25 UTC (Fri) by error27 (subscriber, #8346) [Link] Yep. Ken Brown must a humble man to make those kind of calculations.I can imagine Ken thinking, "If I make up a bunch of lies about Linus, will I get sued? Probably not, I'm too worthless an individual for Linus to bother with. Linus is more bothered by when he steps on gum than by anything I can say about him since he knows that I have a wormlike soul."
Man AdTI Hired to Compare Minix/Linux Found No Copied Code (Groklaw) Posted May 28, 2004 4:02 UTC (Fri) by rjamestaylor (guest, #339) [Link] You not only need to show reckless disregard for the truth and malice intent but also, this is the hard part, actual harm. Unfortunately (?) I don't think Linus was harmed by the self-destructive act of Ken Brown.
Man AdTI Hired to Compare Minix/Linux Found No Copied Code (Groklaw) Posted May 28, 2004 6:48 UTC (Fri) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link] I have to disagree. The man is calling Linus a "copyright infringer". I don't think any of us would like to explain this to out kids, wives, friends, relatives etc. It is real harm. You can go around claiming thing about people that you know are false, not like this.
Man AdTI Hired to Compare Minix/Linux Found No Copied Code (Groklaw) Posted May 28, 2004 6:53 UTC (Fri) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link] Sorry, pressed "publish" instead of "preview". Should be:I have to disagree. The man is calling Linus a "copyright infringer". I don't think any of us would like to explain this to our kids, wives, friends, relatives etc. It is real harm. You can't go around claiming things about people that you know are false, not like this.
Man AdTI Hired to Compare Minix/Linux Found No Copied Code (Groklaw) Posted May 28, 2004 9:47 UTC (Fri) by rjamestaylor (guest, #339) [Link] Understood, but to courts, especially civil, harm is described in terms of dollars. Linus would have to shown that ADTI intentionally set out to cause harm to Linus by willfully publishing lies and deceit. And Linus would need to show how such efforts harmed him finanacially. Now, the harm can be theoretical (receipts not necessary) but I believe it has to be expressed in financial terms. Courts cannot restore reputations or establish "fairness." But a large dollar award to a plaintiff can do a lot to offset the damage to ones' reputation. (I am too familiar with this due to some nasty people who decided to go after friends of mine; they were able to win a large judgement and that helped answer third party concerns based on the libelous claims against them.)However, Linus' reputation hasn't been scratched; Ken Brown(oser) is exposed as Billy Goates errand boy, but Linux is unscathed. Not that ADTI didn't try hard to publish a hit piece. Kenny Boy just sucks as a researcher and writer. Maybe this even backfires and BENEFITS Linus. Oh, well. Interestingly, companies in the Linux distribution business may be able to show actual harm to their business by Klueless Kluck Ken. Showing evidence of slowed sales and such via libel can be restraint of trade -- maybe even falling under the Beef Industry protection laws (anti-Oprah laws, remember them?). Perhaps RedHat needs to expand its suit against SCOX and include ADTI.
Not just actual damages Posted May 28, 2004 16:10 UTC (Fri) by rickfdd (guest, #4519) [Link] Linux could sue for AdTI profits gained from the work. I know for sure copyright infringements are that way. See Title 17 section 504 (b)Discovering who sponsored the work would also be nice.
Not just actual damages Posted May 30, 2004 15:20 UTC (Sun) by freethinker (guest, #4397) [Link] IANAL, but copyright infringement and libel don't strike me as having a lot in common...
Man AdTI Hired to Compare Minix/Linux Found No Copied Code (Groklaw) Posted May 30, 2004 15:18 UTC (Sun) by freethinker (guest, #4397) [Link] Perhaps Ken Brown will sue himself for irreparable damage to reputation :)
Another CORRUPT Alexis de SMOKEville Institution connection SMOKED OUT! Posted Jun 8, 2004 23:54 UTC (Tue) by LionKuntz (guest, #22183) [Link] Another CORRUPT AdTI connection SMOKED OUT!
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Man AdTI Hired to Compare Minix/Linux ... (Groklaw) Posted May 28, 2004 4:34 UTC (Fri) by bajw (subscriber, #11712) [Link] Someone on Groklaw mentioned an article by the same author a few years ago was saying that Free Software is the way to go. Someone also commented that the recent paper was written using Open Office, and that AdTI uses Linux to run their operation.Maybe AdTI just needed the money and wanted to accept a writing job without worrying too much what "bang" their patron got for the "buck". Payroll has to be met and Linux organizations aren't buying too many think tank papers lately.
Man AdTI Hired to Compare Minix/Linux ... (Groklaw) Posted May 28, 2004 11:27 UTC (Fri) by Wol (guest, #4433) [Link] It was also mentioned on Groklaw, that that paper had all the signs of MS hyping up Open Source as a competitor during the anti-trust trial ...Cheers,
Man AdTI Hired to Compare Minix/Linux Found No Copied Code (Groklaw) Posted May 28, 2004 18:56 UTC (Fri) by Rootman (guest, #4530) [Link] Wouldn't it be Hilarious if Linus would sue for millions - win - and then find out that MS was indeed behind this fiasco.Nothing like using your competitors money to advance your cause :-)
Man AdTI Hired to Compare Minix/Linux Found No Copied Code (Groklaw) Posted May 30, 2004 15:23 UTC (Sun) by freethinker (guest, #4397) [Link] Except that it would take large amounts of Linus' time to do so, and he can fight the open source fight much more effectively by using that time to work on the kernel. I'm sure he enjoys it more, too.
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