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Is Torvalds really the father of Linux? (News.com)

Is Torvalds really the father of Linux? (News.com)

Posted May 20, 2004 17:30 UTC (Thu) by fjf33 (subscriber, #5768)
Parent article: Is Torvalds really the father of Linux? (News.com)

Isn't, posibly, WinNT also a rip of of Minix. It uses a microkernel correct? I am sure that some of the people working on it took OS Theory in school. If they applied some of what they learned then it would be hard to prove they didn't steal some code. Plus one of the main architects came from VMS, so it is possible he stole code from there too. Anyone that thinks or expect people to work on a vacuum is 'nuts'.

Thankfully we are not asked to prove a negative, but it is easy to write an article using that argument and have the masses say "That's true, it makes sense" and then get FUD going.


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Does Windows implement a microkernel design?

Posted May 20, 2004 20:30 UTC (Thu) by nicku (subscriber, #777) [Link]

The Windows kernel is very large; it does not meet the description of being a "tiny microkernel like MINIX". Here Andrew says:
With all the security problems Windows has now, it is increasingly obvious to everyone that tiny microkernels, like that of MINIX, are a better base for operating systems than huge monolithic systems.
Notice that he is contrasting Windows with a microkernel design. The successful (but specialised) example that Andy points to is QNX, which is truly small. Although Microsoft describe their operating system as a microkernel design, a huge amount of code runs at high privelege level, which really negates the aim of simplicity that a microkernel design aspires to.

VMS is definitely a greater influence on Windows NT and it successors than MINIX.

Does Windows implement a microkernel design?

Posted May 20, 2004 21:01 UTC (Thu) by fjf33 (subscriber, #5768) [Link]

That will teach me not to believe MS FUD. :)

Does Windows implement a microkernel design?

Posted May 20, 2004 21:07 UTC (Thu) by alonzo (guest, #2770) [Link]

Yup. WinNT takes many of it's ideas from VMS. See:
http://www.winntmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?IssueID=97&ArticleID=4494

Is Torvalds really the father of Linux? (News.com)

Posted May 20, 2004 22:49 UTC (Thu) by kunitz (subscriber, #3965) [Link]

Probably Microsoft used ideas from the Mach kernel.

See http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/mach/public/www/mach.html.

The project manager Rick Rashid has been hired by Microsoft in the
nineties.

However the big name in Windows NT development has been Dave
Cutler, who of course came from DEC and was responsible there for
VMS. (There are some anecdotes about him in Salus' book about the history
of UNIX.)

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