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Living Down to a Low Standard (ComputerWorld)Living Down to a Low Standard (ComputerWorld)Posted May 11, 2004 1:18 UTC (Tue) by newren (guest, #5160)In reply to: Living Down to a Low Standard (ComputerWorld) by djao Parent article: Living Down to a Low Standard (ComputerWorld)
I love Sawfish, but it is so unmaintained that it is in grievous danger of becoming irrelevant. True. John Harper, IIRC (which I likely may not), got hired by Apple and then was unable to work on Sawfish (noncompete clauses or something like that. Since sawfish contains every possible configuration known to man, it's extremely complex which serves as a significant barrier to more people working on it. Combine that with the fact that it's written in LISP, and you've cut down the number of people who can contribute even further. *shrug* I would like to bind alt-rightclick to the raise-or-lower-window keyboard shortcut... There may be patches that do this or similar; I don't know because I haven't checked. But it sounds simple enough. And yes, it would definitely require a patch as the Alt+any-mouse-click actions are all hardcoded (on purpose). I would like to have the ability to move a window so that its titlebar is above the top edge of the monitor. Me too. The maintainers would never accept it, and I agree with them for not accepting it given their rationale and their design goals for Metacity. This feature really doesn't fit. However, that doesn't mean it is unfit for other window managers... I am aware of at least two patches to handle this. One was a hack (even the person who submitted it said so). It's a couple years old, I think. The other was fairly recent and looked more clean, though I didn't get a chance to test to see how well it worked. Don't remember the bug number off the top off my head for either one, though.
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Living Down to a Low Standard (ComputerWorld) Posted May 11, 2004 15:03 UTC (Tue) by cjdewey (guest, #5128) [Link] The maintainers would never accept it, and I agree with them for not accepting it given their rationale and their design goals for Metacity. This feature really doesn't fit.Can you expand on this, or provide a link? Why would they allow windows to go off the left, right and bottom edges of the screen, but not the top? When I need to open an oversize window (bigger than my desktop), it's so much easier to drag the window around with ALT-LEFTCLICK to see the contents, than it is to manipulate two scrollbars.
Living Down to a Low Standard (ComputerWorld) Posted May 11, 2004 22:08 UTC (Tue) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link] Why would they allow windows to go off the left, right and bottom edges of the screen, but not the top?Because most users move windows by dragging the titlebar on top, and if the titlebar disappears from view, they won't know what to do to move the window again? (Especially as "what to do" tends to change from one window manager to another?)
Living Down to a Low Standard (ComputerWorld) Posted May 11, 2004 23:24 UTC (Tue) by cjdewey (guest, #5128) [Link] Because most users move windows by dragging the titlebar on top, and if the titlebar disappears from view, they won't know what to do to move the window again? (Especially as "what to do" tends to change from one window manager to another?)If they only drag things around by the titlebar, they -can't- move the window past the top edge of the display. WindowMaker has this right, I think: there's some resistance "pressure" before a window can be moved beyond the top edge, so you need a "running start" at it. More than enough to protect most users from inadvertently confusing themselves by moving the titlebar out of view.
Alt-{left,right}click Posted May 13, 2004 15:55 UTC (Thu) by gwolf (subscriber, #14632) [Link] I am a WindowMaker diehard fan. In the very beginning, I used to move the windows using the titlebar, and resize it using the bottom bar. I just don't do that anymore. Alt-leftclick moves a window, using any point of the said window as the handle. Alt-rightclick resizes it, pulling or pushing the closest window edge. You simply cannot push a window beyond reach, you can always do as you wish with it... Most window managers implement this behavior, I am amazed that Gnome (or Metacity?) people just removed it. Why? Even if most users will never use it, people who _do_ use it will really get annoyed to find it gone (it has happened to me in Windows).
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