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Gentoo Weekly Newsletter - Volume 3, Issue 17

From:  Yuji Kosugi <carlos-AT-gentoo.org>
To:  gentoo-gwn-AT-lists.gentoo.org
Subject:  [gentoo-gwn] Gentoo Weekly Newsletter - Volume 3, Issue 17
Date:  Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:08:38 -0400

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1. Gentoo News
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New apache maintainer and public mailing list
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We're pleased to announce that Chuck Short[1] is the new maintainer of 
Apache-related packages for Gentoo Linux, and leader of the newly-formed 
Apache herd. Chuck succeeds Donny Davies, who is retiring from the Gentoo 
Project. Chuck is being helped by a group of volunteers who responded to 
our recent call for Apache maintainers. We hope that some of these will be 
invited to become full Gentoo developers in the coming months. 

 1. zul@gentoo.org
 
We've set up a new public mailing list for discussing the use of Gentoo on 
webservers. It's also a place to share your thoughts about how we can 
further improve Gentoo as a webserver platform. The mailing list is 
gentoo-web-user@gentoo.org; send a blank email to 
gentoo-web-user-subscribe@gentoo.org to subscribe. 
    
Gentoo Linux seeking a new squid maintainer
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With the departure of Donny Davies, The Gentoo Linux Project is seeking a 
new maintainer for squid[2]. We're looking for a dedicated developer with 
experience with squid and writing ebuilds. You may want to search 
Bugzilla[3] for squid-related bugs to get an idea of the kind of bugs 
you'll have to deal with. If you're still interested, send an email to 
recruiters@gentoo.org. 

 2. http://www.squid-cache.org/
 3. http://bugs.gentoo.org/
    
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2. Gentoo Security
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ipsec-tools and iputils contain a remote DoS vulnerability
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racoon, which is included in the ipsec-tools and iputils packages in 
Portage, does not check the length of ISAKMP headers. Attackers may be 
able to craft an ISAKMP header of sufficient length to consume all 
available system resoources, causing a Denial of Service. 
 
For more information, please see the GLSA Announcement[4] 

 4. http://www.gentoo.org/security/en/glsa/glsa-200404-17.xml
    
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3. Featured Developer of the Week
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Donny Davies
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(This article was contributed by developer Grant Goodyear[5])

 5. g2boojum@gentoo.org
 
This week one of Gentoo's senior developers, Donny Davies (woodchip), 
retired with a message to the gentoo-dev mailing list stating "Because of 
work and various other social commitments I can no longer fulfill my 
duties as package maintainer for this project. As such, I wish to pass on 
responsibilities to whomever wants the job." On behalf of the rest of the 
Gentoo team, I wish Donny well in his new endeavors. I also wish to 
acknowledge here some of woodchip's many accomplishments during his time 
with Gentoo. 
 
Donny became a Gentoo developer sometime during 2001. I had been a 
developer for only a short time when woodchip joined, and my records of 
that period are rather sketchy, so I'm not sure exactly when he joined. 
(It would be possible to grep the cvs log to determine when Donny made his 
first commit, but woodchip touched so many files that wading through the 
log is a highly non-trivial exercise.) On 2 Sep 2001 he committed a samba 
revision where he had stripped out svc support (once upon a time most 
servers in Gentoo were setup to run from daemontools by default), so his 
tenure has been at least that long. 
 
My recollection is that one of woodchip's more impressive early feats was 
the complete replacement of all of the init scripts in Portage for Gentoo 
Linux 1.0_rc6. Through 1.0_rc5 Gentoo had used fairly standard rc scripts 
modified from Stampede Linux, but for 1.0_rc6 Daniel Robbins (drobbins) 
and Martin Schlemmer (azarah) had created a new dependency-based init 
script system that is still used today. Within a span of days Donny 
rewrote every single init script in the Portage tree and committed new 
masked packages to await the release of 1.0_rc6. Thanks to woodchip (and 
drobbins and azarah, of course) the transition to the new init scripts was 
nearly painless. 
 
Since then woodchip has been responsible for maintaining some of the most 
vital packages in Portage. Solar recently posted a  list [6] of all of the 
packages that have woodchip's name in the ChangeLog, and the breadth of 
packages that he has touched is truly impressive. Less visible, but 
perhaps even more important, woodchip was the principle maintainer for the 
Gentoo PAM, apache, and samba packages. As useful as PAM is for 
simplifying authentication on a Linux system, the package itself is a 
nightmare to maintain because for much of its life a great deal of the 
package's most useful functionality has existed only as a barely-coherent 
collection of redhat patches. At the same time, PAM is one package that is 
never (well, hardly ever) allowed to break, since the result of a broken 
PAM configuration is generally an inability to log into the machine. 
Apache is a similarly vital package, and woodchip handled the transition 
from Apache-1.x to Apache-2.x with considerable aplomb. The transparent 
installation of Apache modules into the correct module directory along 
with appropriately installed configuration fragments is entirely due to 
Donny's careful shepherding. Similar care can be seen in the samba 
package. 

 6. 
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/17456/match=solar+woodchip
 
Donny, thank you very much for all that you have done for Gentoo, for your 
willingness to answer all sorts of weird and naive questions, and for your 
friendship. Gentoo will be much poorer without you. Best wishes. 
    
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4. Heard in the Community
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Web Forums
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New Forum Administrator 
 
Since Wednesday 21 April, former moderator ian![7] is now giving the other 
site admins a helping hand in keeping the Gentoo Forums fully functional. 
Sadly, his new duties will also include the cancelation of a steady number 
of user accounts that are being abused to spam the Forums each week... 

 7. http://forums.gentoo.org/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=15031
 
 * [forums-announce] New administrator ian![8] 
 8. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=164038

    
gentoo-user
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Portage Slotting 101 
 
Here's[9] an informative thread about Portage and how "slotting" of 
different package versions works. 

 9. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/76402
 
UTF-8 Console Fonts and More 
 
International Gentooers may be interested in the  UTF-8[10] thread that 
blossomed into a detailed discussion of how non-english fontsets and 
languages are handled in Gentoo. 

 10. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/75908
    
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5. Gentoo International
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Germany: German NFP Registered, Local Gentoo Merchandise Shop Opened 
 
While Daniel Robbins is busy converting Gentoo into a not-for-profit 
organisation on his side of the Atlantic, the German Gentoo developers 
have finalised all the necessary steps for registering an almost identical 
legal entity, called "eingetragener Verein" (registered association) under 
the German law. It'll take the commercial courts another four to six weeks 
to acknowledge the setup, but the association[11] is already operational, 
has opened a bank account, and started raking in bushels of money via 
their new online shop[12], whose main advantage over the Gentoo store[13] 
in the US lies in its comparatively low-cost deliveries to customers in 
Germany. Proceeds from the online sales are split between the manufacturer 
of the goods on offer, and the association who'll reinvest the leftovers 
in things like burning and printing LiveCDs to be thrown around the crowds 
at events across Europe, and covering the costs for the increasing number 
of Gentoo booths at those same trade fairs and conferences. 

 11. http://www.gentoo-ev.de
 12. http://www.spreadshirt.de/shop.php?sid=22258
 13. http://store.gentoo.org
 
UK: New Gentoo-UK IRC Channel Opened 
 
The British Gentooistas have been lagging behind their European 
neighbours, at least in creating regional Gentoo support sites. Now, even 
if they cannot possibly be blamed for lacking the same type of online 
activities (traditionally centered on translations of the English Gentoo 
documentation), they could at least have agreed on a venue for their first 
regional user meeting by now, let alone a date. But last week's creation 
of a UK-specific IRC channel (#gentoo-uk on irc.freenode.net) on Freenode 
by Edinburgh-based Gentoo developer Ciaran McCreesh should finally provide 
a good starting point for future activities. Looking forward to their 
announcements. 
    
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6. Tips and Tricks
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Tips and Tricks is on hiatus this week.
    
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7. Moves, Adds, and Changes
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Moves
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The following developers recently left the Gentoo team:
 
 * Donny Davies (woodchip) - Apache and system components 
    
Adds
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The following developers recently joined the Gentoo Linux team:
 
 * None this week 
    
Changes
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The following developers recently changed roles within the Gentoo Linux 
project:
 
 * None this week 
    
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DRobbins departing now, too.

Posted Apr 27, 2004 8:45 UTC (Tue) by Duncan (guest, #6647) [Link]

It would seem that real-world news has once again overtaken the press, as
DRobbins has announced his resignation as chief architect and from his
position on the still being formed new board of trustees of the new NFP
(Not For Profit) corporation now being formed.

I really can't blame him. The months since the Zynot fork can't have been
easy, and it certainly wasn't, either. I imagine he's simply decided that
his participation at that high a level is more of a distraction for Gentoo
going forward than it is worth, and certainly, he owes his own family some
regard as well, given that he's repeatedly sacrificed for the Gentoo he
believes in, at his personal expense and that of his family. Thus, I can
certainly see where he's just tired of it all and wants (needs) a break.
I expect I would be at this point.

I don't believe it's yet clear whether he intends to continue running the
Gentoo store or immediately look for other work, altho the NFP agreement
gave him rights to use the Gentoo trademark in the store (non-revokable
royalty-free non-transferable, meaning he could use it forever if desired,
but couldn't sell off to someone else to use it without the NFP board's
approval). Still, he HAS stated publicly (on the gentoo nfp mailing list,
available and archived on gmane.org's list2news and list2web gateways)
that he didn't believe the store would be what he'd do for the rest of his
life. All that was before his resignation announcement, however, and
what's to become of the store now remains up in the air.

I believe the entire Gentoo developer group, as well as the user base,
wishes him well.

There's an old Chinese curse, it is said, "May you live in interesting
times." What with the SCO thing, and the XFree thing, and now the
DRobbins thing, times are certainly "interesting", TOO "interesting" for
my tastes! Still, out of turmoil comes change, and if there's one thing
open source has proven time and again, it makes the BEST of change, and
comes out ahead, every time. I have no reason to believe this time will
be any different. One thing is for sure, there's certainly no time to
rest on our libreware laurels! Evolve the open source world does, because
evolve it MUST. No WONDER we have the proprietaryware world shaking in
its boots!

..

The GOOD news.. Gentoo 2004.1 is to be publicly released on the 28th, I
believe, and the images should already be on most of the servers. =:^)

Duncan

DRobbins departing now, too.

Posted Apr 27, 2004 8:58 UTC (Tue) by alspnost (subscriber, #2763) [Link]

Well, hear hear - though I hope you're not referring to LWN as "the press" - it's just so superior to the usual crowd of journalistic hacks that it's not even funny ;-)

Anyway, I hope this news isn't as bad as it first appears. I'm a big Gentoo user and I hope that the new Foundation will take it onwards from here. The community is certainly strong. And BTW, what's happening with Zynot, since you mentioned it? There was all this hoo-ha when it launched, but it seems to have been rather quiet since then....

Zynot..

Posted Apr 27, 2004 13:07 UTC (Tue) by Duncan (guest, #6647) [Link]

> BTW, what's happening with Zynot, since you mentioned it?

Well, I wasn't looking for /that/, when I was there, and didn't really
notice. He had up a "why fork" article and a sequel, and I had gotten a
direct link from a newsgroup discussion to the fork article, so I read it
and the sequel, and took a brief look around the site since I'd made up my
mind by then and figured I wouldn't be back, and that was it.

The weird thing about the why fork article from my perspective was how
really out of touch he seemed with what makes many open source developers
tick, and how he seemed to keep attributing to others (DRobbins in
particular) the selfish motives it was quite apparent he himself had.

Keep in mind that as I started looking at Gentoo, coming from Mandrake
(which I'm still using while I experiment with Gentoo), the FIRST thing I
looked at was the social contract and statement of philosophy on the
Gentoo site. Mandrake has always been a strong open source supporter,
but, for instance, I could have never been happy with SuSE, before Novell
bought them and opened up YAST and etc. under the GPL, because, as I've
often put it, if I wanted to work on and support closed source, I wouldn't
have dumped a decade of MSWormOS experience to switch to Linux. I don't
claim to be a good developer and in fact have done NO real development on
Linux at all, yet, anyway. However, I can contribute in other areas and
may or may not eventually BECOME a developer. Anyway, one of the major
things that makes ME tick, is the contribution to the betterment of the
community. I am *NOT* interested in making my work available for some
proprietaryware developer to take and stick behind closed doors. I might
as well find something else to do with my time if that's what it comes to.

Anyway, I was quite impressed with the gentoo social contract and etc.
However, reading about the fork, I knew I had to investigate it and see
what THAT view of Gentoo had to say. Once I got there, as I said, it was
rather surreal watching this guy argue how DRobbins wanted to steal the
profit from Gentoo and all about how he was supposedly going about it,
when it was quite apparent that this guy himself had such motives, and
that was the real disagreement. After all, DRobbins couldn't do anything
about the license of existing Linux software, but he didn't HAVE to set up
Gentoo such that any contributions IT made were GPL licensed. If he was
REALLY intent on taking Gentoo proprietary, GPL licensing Gentoo
contributions was a HUGE mistake, since /anyone/ could fork it if they
didn't like where it was going. What was even MORE ironic about the
entire thing was that the Zynot fork demonstrated this very point! Zynot
was saying how proprietary Gentoo wanted to be, then taking its very GPLed
code to form the fork with!

Time and again, argument after argument, the "why fork" paper demonstrated
not why it was so good, but why it was on the *WRONG* path for an open
source project, as it forked off of Gentoo. This guy had been a closed
source developer for some time, and argued some of the textbook classic
methods for getting the best product possible.. only they applied to
CLOSED source, NOT OPEN source. Among other things, he argued for a set
release timetable and only letting it slip slightly, if at all. The open
source version of that is more or less continuous development, release
early and release often, on the one hand, but version update not according
to a timetable, but rather, "when it is ready". This is only one example.
There were several. It was /quite/ obvious that this guy and me
had /very/ divergent opinions on where the Gentoo code and open source in
general should go. It was ALSO quite obvious that he'd never fit well in
a truly open source environment, and therefore, why he felt compelled to
split from Gentoo, which thanks to DRobbin's evident early lead in the
area, tends to be toward the "open" side, even within the open source
community itself.

Looking at where he wanted to take Zynot.. into the embedded community..
one does see that his approach might work a bit better there. Embedded
code tends to be firmware code, released with the device and often never
updated. Even if it is updated, updates tend to be fewer and skewed
toward the early end of hardware release and customer purchase cycle. In
this environment, code DOES need tested more thoroughly, and the
traditional quality control and release cycles of closed source continue
to make more sense than they do in the general desktop and server
computing environment. As well, his approach to potentially proprietizing
some stuff but on an open base, isn't unknown in the community. I already
mentioned SuSE as a distrib, and there are plenty of proprietary
application vendors. However, the question I kept asking myself as I read
this was how IN THE WORLD he ended up with Gentoo, with its generally open
source emphasis, when his ideas and methods tended to be SO diametrically
opposed to those of Gentoo.

I honestly don't know if it's having any success or not. There are other
already established vendors in the Linux embedded markets, others already
going in Asia, Taiwan/China/Japan/Singapore/HongCong/etc. supported and
encouraged in many cases by their respective state governments. That's
where the embedded market is, and he's going up against existing entities
AND has a language and culture barrier to work against. He sees the
market as wide open to opportunity and it may be. However, Western firms
have always had a hard time breaking into the Eastern cultures, and
there's already state support and encouragement of local Linux based
solutions, more so than in the West, so it's going to be harder than he
believes, I think. As well, once folks get the open source idea, I don't
see them continuing to function well under his limited top-down command
structure. Open source, unlike closed source, simply CANNOT thrive under
those circumstances. I expect he's going to have quite a hard time of it.

That said, again, the culture of embedded systems is much different than
that of general computing. Even if he was quite successful, unless
someone there is making a specific effort to get the PR out to the general
Linux world via LWN or similar, we may not read of it or realize how
successful he may be. From what I know, the world of embedded systems is
like that, and only those in the trade know what's going on in it. As an
example, until recently, how many in the Linux world had any idea how
widespread use of Netfilter was? It's only now, as the netfilter folks
track down GPL violators and force them to release source to comply with
the licence, do we glimpse some of what must have gone on behind the
scenes, the world of embedded code suppliers and the levels it goes thru
before a hardware vendor purchases it, possibly not knowing its open
source origins, and ending up having to go back and track down source to
fulfill obligations they didn't realize they had (due to lack of
disclosure by the middlemen) when they purchased the code in the first
place. It's possible that five years from now, one of those shaddowy code
vendors might be Zynot.

FWIW..

Duncan

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