|| ||Jens Axboe <axboe-AT-suse.de>|
|| ||Jeff Garzik <jgarzik-AT-pobox.com>|
|| ||Re: [PATCH] speed up SATA|
|| ||Sun, 28 Mar 2004 19:54:36 +0200|
|| ||Nick Piggin <nickpiggin-AT-yahoo.com.au>, linux-ide-AT-vger.kernel.org,
Linux Kernel <linux-kernel-AT-vger.kernel.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm-AT-osdl.org>|
On Sun, Mar 28 2004, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Jens Axboe wrote:
> >On Sun, Mar 28 2004, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> >>Jens Axboe wrote:
> >>>On Sat, Mar 27 2004, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> >>>>I also wouldn't want to lock out any users who wanted to use SATA at
> >>>>full speed ;-)
> >>>And full speed requires 32MB requests?
> >>Full speed is the SATA driver supporting the hardware maximum. The
> >Come on Jeff, don't be such a slave to the hardware specifications. Just
> >because it's possible to send down 32MB requests doesn't necessarily
> >mean it's a super thing to do, nor that it automagically makes 'things
> >go faster'. The claim is that back-to-back 1MB requests are every bit as
> >fast as a 32MB request (especially if you have a small queue depth, in
> >that case there truly should be zero benefit to doing the bigger ones).
> >The cut-off point is likely even lower than 1MB, I'm just using that
> >figure as a value that is 'pretty big' yet doesn't incur too large
> >latencies just because of its size.
> For me this is a policy issue.
> I agree that huge requst hurt latency. I just disagree that the
> _driver_ should artificially lower its maximums to fit a guess about
> what the best request size should be.
> If there needs to be an overall limit on per-size size, do it at the
> block layer. It's not scalable to hardcode that limit into every
> driver. That's not the driver's job. The driver just exports the
> hardware limits, nothing more.
> A limit is fine. I support that. An artificial limit in the driver
> is not.
Sorry, but I cannot disagree more. You think an artificial limit at the
block layer is better than one imposed at the driver end, which actually
has a lot more of an understanding of what hardware it is driving? This
makes zero sense to me. Take floppy.c for instance, I really don't want
1MB requests there, since that would take a minute to complete. And I
might not want 1MB requests on my Super-ZXY storage, because that beast
completes io easily at an iorate of 200MB/sec.
So you want to put this _policy_ in the block layer, instead of in the
driver. That's an even worse decision if your reasoning is policy. The
only such limits I would want to put in, are those of the bio where
simply is best to keep that small and contained within a single page to
avoid higher order allocations to do io. Limits based on general sound
principles, not something that caters to some particular piece of
hardware. I absolutely refuse to put a global block layer 'optimal io
size' restriction in, since that is the ugliest of policies and without
having _any_ knowledge of what the hardware can do.
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