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Microsoft Demos Windows XP Service Pack 2 (TechWeb)
Here's a sign of where things are going: this TechWeb article about a new Windows XP service pack is mostly devoted to Microsoft's response to Linux.
"Microsoft is also clearly mapping out its future product strategy and road
map, which is unavailable from the Linux community, [Microsoft manager Kevin Wueste] said. 'You have to go
to 80,000 community Web sites to figure out what all the (Linux) architects
are doing and then maybe put a strategy together,' he said. It is impractical
for customers and partners to bet on such a model, said Wueste."
Perhaps Mr. Wueste should read LWN instead :).
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Microsoft Demos Windows XP Service Pack 2 (TechWeb) Posted Mar 10, 2004 15:32 UTC (Wed) by ccchips (guest, #3222) [Link] So, if I want to build a new house, who should I ask about the future of the housing industry, and the "roadmap" for things like electrical and plumbing futures?How about a new auto? Public transportation service? Which recording format will work best for me, as a musician, in light of all this DRM crap? Oh...and another thing? Should I have invested in the stock-market in the 1990's for my retirement? An awful lot of "planners" seemed to think I should have. I know a lot of people who bought that line, too. Are Microsoft's new products going to work exactly as advertised? Are they going to be secure? How do I know that? If Microsoft loses interest in this "new stuff", that I should buy instead of going to "10,000 web sites," who will fix the software when it breaks? Why do they need to ratchet up their anti-Linux mouthings with the "10,000 web site" baloney, and all the other baloney, instead of showing me a good product, that does what it says it will do, and that is supported by *somebody* for as long as I choose to use it?
Microsoft Demos Windows XP Service Pack 2 (TechWeb) Posted Mar 10, 2004 15:41 UTC (Wed) by QuisUtDeus (guest, #14854) [Link] They have shown their Orwellian.NET and plans to patent text files in XML. I better get busy with my browser....But seriously, folks: there are a number of Linux Meta-Sites that provide some overall views of Linux. If these sites are not yet filling the bill of revealing the "future strategic direction" of Linux, then maybe some effort can be made at reaching that goal. Any ideas for sites to start with, or maybe a ring of sites?
Microsoft Demos Windows XP Service Pack 2 (TechWeb) Posted Mar 11, 2004 13:14 UTC (Thu) by massimiliano (subscriber, #3048) [Link] Well, maybe LWN is not exactly a perfect crystal ball, but to assess the *current* developments in linux it is invaluable!
Microsoft Demos Windows XP Service Pack 2 (TechWeb) Posted Mar 10, 2004 16:15 UTC (Wed) by ssharkey (subscriber, #4451) [Link] I especially like this part:"Wueste said the Linux solutions maybe support an import from a Microsoft classic application 50 percent of the time." Gee, might that be because all Microsoft "classic application data formats" ARE UNDOCUMENTED, FREQUENTLY CHANGED, and MUTUALLY INCOMPATIBLE??? Doh! -Scott
Microsoft Demos Windows XP Service Pack 2 (TechWeb) Posted Mar 10, 2004 16:25 UTC (Wed) by allesfresser (subscriber, #216) [Link] ...and over the next decade or so, God willing, the percentage will drop... when we won't need to import from 'legacy' formats because people will have abandoned Redmond and stopped using them.
Microsoft Demos Windows XP Service Pack 2 (TechWeb) Posted Mar 10, 2004 16:56 UTC (Wed) by ccchips (guest, #3222) [Link] He could probably display some great examples of these problems, too.Just like, 30 years ago or longer, if I had been a "hi-fi-stereo" vendor near the top of the heap, I could have shown you how my competitor's product couldn't be plugged into mine, or how distorted the signal would be if it could. Big deal. This kind or charlatanism will disappear if, and only if, our industry and political leaders force Microsoft's hand, and tell them they need to standardize on connectivity and interoperability. I really don't give a flying whatever if Microsoft classic data formats can't be shared around between products and platforms, because I expect as much. What I do care about is whether Microsoft will get out of their pigsty and start acting like mature businesspeople who have to communicate with the rest of us, and I care whether they will ever understand that my data is mine, and that I should be able, and free, to share it with whomever I choose, regardless of what pen and/or pencil I write it with.
Microsoft Strategy Posted Mar 10, 2004 17:02 UTC (Wed) by libra (guest, #2515) [Link] That (and other things) confirm with a 100% accuracy that MS strategy is now more MSOffice centric than MSWindows centric.Maybe it is also why they need both DRM compulsory on any OS and DRM in their products, so that the lock can be kept even if they have to support other platforms than their prima MSWindows. Unfortunately for them people seem to feel more and more the danger, and I bet we will see in some time three kind of people : - The saved, who would have stopped using MS closed formats completly - The doomed, who would have followed the MS way into hell, and would know no path out - The waiting, who would have done nothing and would still have opportunities of both hell and freedom open to them The question now is to know how many doomed there will be in near future.
Microsoft Demos Windows XP Service Pack 2 (TechWeb) Posted Mar 10, 2004 17:03 UTC (Wed) by sab39 (guest, #2185) [Link] And Microsoft solutions support import from a Linux application approximately 0% of the time. *Despite* the fact that almost all Linux applications use documented file formats and even when they don't the source is available to figure it out from...How does that argument work out in Microsoft's favor, again?
Microsoft Demos Windows XP Service Pack 2 (TechWeb) Posted Mar 10, 2004 22:06 UTC (Wed) by ballombe (subscriber, #9523) [Link] Easy: create a document with ms word on Mac OS and try to import it in msword running under Windows, or the converse. What is the probability it works ? less than 50% in my experience. Oh well.
Microsoft Demos Windows XP Service Pack 2 (TechWeb) Posted Mar 10, 2004 17:00 UTC (Wed) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link] guush!...What a piece of "comparative flamed diarrhoeic" bull propaganda (ilegal in my country in terms of acceptable publicity)... Does anyone bellive that they really investigated the web sites of 80.000 Linux/Open Source architects ??... does M$ dare to say that there are so many know??... this numbers are going to backfire on them... "I challenge M$ to prove that 80.000 is not at least the quadruple of people that M$ employ in "real coding"... so how come do they think that with 1/4 they can do so much more and better ? " Is really M$ getting that desperate now ?!
Microsoft Demos Windows XP Service Pack 2 (TechWeb) Posted Mar 10, 2004 17:07 UTC (Wed) by tjc (subscriber, #137) [Link] "You have to go to 80,000 community Web sites to figure out what all the (Linux) architects are doing and then maybe put a strategy together,"Wow, that's a lot of links! http://www.linuxlinks.com/only knows about 25,583 of these links, so either Mr. Wueste spends all day googling for linux sites, or else he exaggerates by a factor of 3.13. Assuming the later, next time we hear from MSFT that the next version of Windows will be out in 12 months, just figure 37-38 months instead.
Microsoft Demos Windows XP Service Pack 2 (TechWeb) Posted Mar 10, 2004 18:03 UTC (Wed) by ccchips (guest, #3222) [Link] Actually, your pointer looks like a great one to show anyone who apes that argument "against" Linux. My response:Sure--there may be thousands of web sites to visit about Linux. That's why we have so many reference web sites, search web sites, and such. Linuxlinks.com is a great example of how a community works effectively to help people navigate around, get things done, and get questions answered. In other words, it's not necessary to have a monopolistic corporation in order to have a good map.
Microsoft Demos Windows XP Service Pack 2 (TechWeb) Posted Mar 10, 2004 18:08 UTC (Wed) by ccchips (guest, #3222) [Link] "You don't need all those thousands of friends."Come to me, that I might give you all that you desire. The cost is so small...such a little thing....you'll never miss it...."
Microsoft Demos Windows XP Service Pack 2 (TechWeb) Posted Mar 10, 2004 18:30 UTC (Wed) by xnihilanthx (guest, #17991) [Link] > ... to figure out what all the (Linux) architects are doing ..Planning for world domination. You just don't get it, do ya?
Microsoft Demos Windows XP Service Pack 2 (TechWeb) Posted Mar 10, 2004 21:04 UTC (Wed) by aleXXX (subscriber, #2742) [Link] We don't have to plan it, it's on the way and unavoidable. The currentsituation, that more or less the whole industry, business and public authorities depend on the products of one single company is unbearable, and more and more people realize this. I think there are no big problems with Win 2K, XP and so on in themselves, the problem is the monopoly. So maybe in 5 years Windows will only be one OS among others, with it's advantages and disadvantages. Alex
Demo for a Service Pack? Posted Mar 10, 2004 19:03 UTC (Wed) by AnswerGuy (subscriber, #1256) [Link] Ummm... Who schedules a media event to demonstrate a "service pack?" It seems clear that Microsoft has nothing ready to ship into the pipeline -- no new version, no new products. Thus they feel compelled to turn a "service pack" (read: collection of bug fixes) into a media event.
Demo for a Service Pack? Posted Mar 11, 2004 21:26 UTC (Thu) by ccchips (guest, #3222) [Link] That's really good! Rip off that mask, so we can see what's underneath!Too bad you couldn't have done it at their publicity stunt. Would have made a great scene for a movie....
Microsoft Demos Windows XP Service Pack 2 (TechWeb) Posted Mar 11, 2004 1:22 UTC (Thu) by fjf33 (subscriber, #5768) [Link] Besides if anyone plans with Microsoft's plan, they better not plan further than tomorrow since MS plans are written in toilet paper.
Microsoft Demos Windows XP Service Pack 2 (TechWeb) Posted Mar 11, 2004 1:28 UTC (Thu) by neoprene (guest, #8520) [Link] "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf HitlerUniformity is nice, isn't it? Der Fuhrer will decide what's best and he'll have a roadmap for you too. Democracy and freedom, such confusing nonsense.
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