Increasingly hard to see how Brad Spengler is/was in the wrong

Posted Jun 28, 2017 20:28 UTC (Wed) by josh (subscriber, #17465)
In reply to: Increasingly hard to see how Brad Spengler is/was in the wrong by ms-tg
Parent article: Ripples from Stack Clash

It makes a huge amount of sense to pay people to do this work, which is what's being done. However, if the goal is to make the upstream kernel secure, then rather than selecting people with a history of not collaborating with upstream and intentionally antagonizing everyone around them, it makes more sense to select people demonstrably capable of doing so.

Take a look at the tantrum-level spitefulness on the CVE-related mail and ask yourself if that's who you'd want to employ. There's a reason that the community has carefully weaned itself away from dependencies on people like Joerg Schilling and Ulrich Drepper, in favor of people who work well with the community.

Increasingly hard to see how Brad Spengler is/was in the wrong

Posted Jun 29, 2017 9:55 UTC (Thu) by nhippi (subscriber, #34640) [Link] (2 responses)

When KSPP started to materialize, it would have made sense to Linux Foundation to ask Brad to do it. Even if they didn't, Brad should have seen the writing in the wall and proposed to do it himself. We don't know why exactly Brad is not getting the KSPP money, and instead some other people are paid to upstream Brads code. But chances are "not being nice to your potential future customers" played a big part in it.

Linus is not much better - which is especially bad because some people think the success of Linux is because of his style and LKML culture - rather than despite of it.

KSPP

Posted Jun 29, 2017 13:44 UTC (Thu) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link]

It is worth remembering that KSPP is not a Linux Foundation project, and there is no "KSPP money" slush fund that the LF could have directed differently.

Increasingly hard to see how Brad Spengler is/was in the wrong

Posted Jul 6, 2017 17:18 UTC (Thu) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link]

> Linus is not much better - which is especially bad because some people think the success of Linux is because of his style and LKML culture - rather than despite of it.

I think you'll find Linus is a *lot* better.

Yes he can have a potty-mouth. But he rarely uses it, and mostly when the other guy has been demonstrably stupid. Also the other guy is usually well-known to Linus.

There's a big difference between a bully picking on everyone, and a playground scrap between friends. Linus is respected for his technical judgement, and his ability to keep out of things while dropping technical bombs into other peoples' conversations. There's two things - being able to tell someone politely that their code is wrong because ..., and also to be able to tell someone that their code "does not feel right". Linus has that ability in spades, while unfortunately Pax et al don't have those people skills ...

Cheers,
Wol