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Re: Firefox as default browser in Fedora
Steven Garrity wrote: > In the interest of disclosure, I've worked on the Visual Identity team > responsible for the new Firefox logo (and more stuff to come). I'm not > making money on it, but I am involved in Firefox. > > I would like to see Firefox included as the default web browser on Fedora. > > I know the discussion about including Mozilla Firebird has been had > several times over here on the fedora-devel-list. The general consensus > I was able to garner from searching the archives seems to be something > like this: Internally we're having the firefox vs. epiphany discussion at least for Red Hat (which may or may not have anything to do with fedora, it's hard to say at this point.) Anyway, there are a few major stumbling blocks: o Firefox/phoenix/firebird hasn't reached 1.0, nor has anyone made the promises assocated with long term profile stability that come along with it. o Firefox doesn't have automatic profile migration. This is a _huge_ stumbling block for people coming from the Mozilla world. o Firefox doesn't look like other apps on the desktop. That is, it doesn't have enough of a native look and feel. I'm not that worried about the layout of pages - which I think is excellent in gecko in general - but the UI is odd. Preferences are different than the HIG and just about every other gnome app, button sizes and layout are all wrong, menus are wrong, icons are wrong, and it would be a huge amount of work to sync all this up. Plus it's a cost that you have to continue to pay over and over again since it's not something that would stay in sync. This is something that has echos of the old Netscape vs. Mozilla UI problems that were so huge a couple of years ago, and was one of the main reasons that the old phoenix project was started. People want control over the UI and they don't want to have to deal with people to have what they want. For whatever reason, people won't compromise over UI. So we have flame wars. And we have forks. And we go round-n-round. And we're having this discussion again. Anyway, the point being that the UI for epiphany is basically what we want and it's hard to change over to using firefox which is still changing a bit over time. o There's still the huge "what do we do about XUL apps, are they cool enough to support or not and can we do it within the scope of epiphany" discussion as well. So this is still an ongoing discussion. > > > >> “Mozilla is required for other apps” > > There didn't seem to be any confirmation of this, but there was > speculation that some other apps in Fedora may depend on Mozilla > libraries. > > For example, Karl DeBisschop said of replacing Mozilla with Firefox, > still called firebird at the time > (http://redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2003-December/msg00295.html): There are some external programs that use various bits of Mozilla. This includes, but is probably not limited to, gaim and maybe still evolution, which use mozilla-nss for SSL. --Chris -- ------------ Christopher Blizzard http://people.redhat.com/blizzard/ ------------ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list (Log in to post comments)
Re: Firefox as default browser in Fedora Posted Feb 19, 2004 3:57 UTC (Thu) by jonabbey (subscriber, #2736) [Link] Firefox's default theme is gorgeous, I'm very happy using it on RH9 as well as on Win2k.Given how simplified and streamlined Firefox is, I would think the problems with Firefox not fitting in with the Gnome HIG would be rather less than the problems with Gnome apps not fitting in with KDE/Qt apps or with Xfce stuff. I haven't used Epiphany in a while, but I don't know that I can think of many advantages from a GTK Gecko browser, unless there is a very active and devoted developer and user community supporting it. Firefox already has a that.
Re: Firefox as default browser in Fedora Posted Feb 19, 2004 16:28 UTC (Thu) by tjc (subscriber, #137) [Link] There's still the huge "what do we do about XUL apps, are they cool [snip]Yes, they ARE cool. I would be nice if enough people discovered that Mozilla XUL/XPCOM is a near-ideal platform for writing internal cross-platform "business" applications before MSFT "invents" an inferior and incompatible architecture for the next version of Windows and successfully promotes it.
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