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Why tech firms are out of tune (BBC)
BBC News is running a column from the
Consumer Electronics Show; the author is not entirely impressed with
what he saw. "And [Carly Fiorina] claimed that the way entertainment is
'created, distributed, managed and consumed' is changing forever, in ways
that highlight 'the power of democracy', and are about 'giving power the
people.' Then she went and spoiled it all by committing HP to putting
digital rights management software in every one of its consumer devices,
encrypting any recorded content stored on HP systems so that it can't be
transferred to other computers or players, stopping people copying their
old videos to DVD, and even making sure that HP home computers can't record
broadcast television programmes."
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Why tech firms are out of tune (BBC) Posted Jan 11, 2004 11:50 UTC (Sun) by tjansen (guest, #18615) [Link] I am not sure whether this is funny or sad. By propagating DRM companies like HP are helping the competition from countries like China to be not only cheaper, but to have also better products.
Why tech firms are out of tune (BBC) Posted Jan 11, 2004 13:31 UTC (Sun) by gnb (subscriber, #5132) [Link] Their solution to that will probably be to try and get the sale of non-DRMequipment banned in the US, and then get the US to lean on the its trading partners to do likewise. Having the best product by blocking anyone who tries to sell a better one is hardly a new approach.
Why tech firms are out of tune (BBC) Posted Jan 11, 2004 20:48 UTC (Sun) by sitaram (subscriber, #5959) [Link] Lean on China? Ask the WiFi hardware makers what is happening on that! [IIRC China has created its own standard and has mandated that all vendors must comply... Now *that* is leaning]
Why tech firms are out of tune (BBC) Posted Jan 12, 2004 8:11 UTC (Mon) by euroderph (guest, #18639) [Link] Yes, I guess that if China did not exist we'd have to invent it. Simply because Europe and other big players have shown little or no spine in resisting America's preposterous, anti-consumer, shameful IPR/DRM demands.
Why tech firms are out of tune (BBC) Posted Jan 12, 2004 9:33 UTC (Mon) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link] There is no need for banning... availability and market volume will make DRM hardware, if triumphant, to the same or cheaper price of normal hardware.(DRM hardware will not run "everyday?" version of Linux and NORMAL hardware wont run future versions of the monopoly Windows)WE NEED A F/OSS-LINUX HARDWARE PLATFORM DEFENITION AS PRIORYTY I've tryed to inquirer about the availability of buing the "Windows Media Server OS" version,... and there is none... only for OEMs, like HP, that bends over to them, and to their campaign NGSCB/Paladium of hardware for nothing but M$ software... (market strategy and the DOJ settlement probabily has something to do with that). Meanwhile i'm trying to build a personal PVR system with knnoppix;
Why tech firms are out of tune (BBC) Posted Jan 11, 2004 13:35 UTC (Sun) by ordonnateur (subscriber, #6652) [Link] Well I suppose this just one more confirmation that HP are a company headed downhill.
HP downhill Posted Jan 11, 2004 14:31 UTC (Sun) by ccyoung (subscriber, #16340) [Link] I think HP is two-headed, much like Sun.
Why tech firms are out of tune (BBC) Posted Jan 11, 2004 14:41 UTC (Sun) by ballombe (subscriber, #9523) [Link] It just prove one more time that HP is a two-headed monster with each head fighting against the other. See http://lwn.net/Articles/51661/ for another example.One head is a strong Linux and free-software supporter, the other aims at propagating Windows lock-in. I suppose they just protect themself against major changes in the software industry, or maybe being named from two different people induce a schizophrenic behavior.
Why tech firms are out of tune (BBC) Posted Jan 11, 2004 15:16 UTC (Sun) by marktp (guest, #18618) [Link] So don't buy HP equipment!
Why tech firms are out of tune (BBC) Posted Jan 11, 2004 16:11 UTC (Sun) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link] Its only business!!... Why won't the publishers encrypt their productions, strongly, but with a kind of private/user+piece in a similar way of private/public keys of PGP and GPG... why this "Grip" on hardware and devices, if not only to make market lock-ins?... to prevent copying?... not even for backup purpose?... i wont buy it. If i buy a Movie DVD or a Music CD i want to have the freedom to enjoy them at any of my computers, in the living room sets, in any of my folks or friends home's, in the toylet... and to prevent to buy it again if those DVDs or CDs get damaged, i'm sure, in my country, that i've the right to make a personal backup copy of it... So this DRM apparatus, is only a way to guarantie to M$ the absolute control over the Desktop PC type of computer OS, by which it, M$, lend to the big PC and IT appliances manufactors, HP included of course, the corps of the huge "White Line" business.(60% of all PC sold in US in 2001, if i'm correct). I mean no matter the way you look at it, there is no way for a small local shop or even a much bigger one, to compete with a HP or a DELL for those DRM keys biddings in "Longhorn", and "Longhorn" itself for that matter... anymore... if NGSCB/Paladium triumphs... specialy because this NGSCB thing is positioned to dilute the weight of M$ software price in the all solutions... I WILLING TO BELIVE THAT EVERYBOBY CAN SEE THE HUGE MARKET OPPORTUNITY HERE, AND THEIR CATASTROFIC CONSEQUENCES. Blind leaders, can only make blind technologie,... and M$ has already started its intoxication campaign with TRUST, SECURITY, ANTI-PIRACY, just in time to replace TCO that is completly obsolet by now... and IMO if Linux dont want to be stucked in Dry Land, unable to run in the generality of futur Desktop PC type hardware, it has to deal with that hardware industry with better TECHNICAL PROPOSALS (for drivers), and a little better will in politics(example:Nvidea and Creative in OTTAWA SYNPHOSIUM)... or it will be hostaged for ever of those that only care, in the futur, to run Linux in 32Gb RAM or in 64 parallel super-computers. NOT SCO... NOW F/OSS-LINUX HAS "THE" REAL WAR TO FIGHT.
Why tech firms are out of tune (BBC) Posted Jan 11, 2004 17:59 UTC (Sun) by ballombe (subscriber, #9523) [Link] The problem is not so much with the DRM than with the DMCA/EUCD.Breaking a DRM system running on Windows is just a matter of exploiting a hole in Windows. With the track record of MS, not really a challenge. At this point it is easy to make a unencrypted copy. The real problem is that DMCA/EUCD make that illegal (or at least to explain how to do that).
Why tech firms are out of tune (BBC) Posted Jan 12, 2004 9:56 UTC (Mon) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link] Sure. And with it the black market for "Hacked" hardware will blossom like flowers in springtime... And no need for holes in "Windows",... i'm absolutly convinced that there are people right now hacking into celular phones, DVD home sets, Set-top boxes(to watch encryted TV)... and they will for sure find a way to break into any piece of DRM hardware that pop up.Blind leaders and greed are going to transform "White Line", into "Black Line" for gangs to control, because every small corner shop, if Linux and normal hardware fails, is gonna be virtualy illegal. Above all this, guess whom gets to win along with M$ ?
Why tech firms are out of tune (BBC) Posted Jan 12, 2004 10:47 UTC (Mon) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link] "because every small corner shop, if Linux and normal hardware fails, is gonna be virtualy illegal"... is not correct.But "almost every small corner shop(Computer Shop), if Linux and normal hardware fails, will turn into a appliances(PC&CĒ) and or consumer electronics shop, or die"... is more correct
Why tech firms are out of tune (BBC) Posted Jan 11, 2004 20:54 UTC (Sun) by neoprene (guest, #8520) [Link] The very pronouncible Paladium was replaced by the cryptic unrememorabe "NGSCB".To make it easier to remember NGSCB stands for "No Good Scummy Crap Bastards".
Why tech firms are out of tune (BBC) Posted Jan 11, 2004 17:25 UTC (Sun) by dkite (guest, #4577) [Link] It's very simple. Attempted de-commoditization.What it really means is a bunch of neat stuff that doesn't quite work. I keep thinking the hardware people are going to get sick of providing very low margin hardware for someone else to make big margins on. Except that is how it works with Microsoft. Derek
Why tech firms are out of tune (BBC) Posted Jan 11, 2004 18:16 UTC (Sun) by ccchips (guest, #3222) [Link] So, what it comes down to is this:I can buy some real expensive computer hardware and software (instead of, say, shoes and clothes and food,) and that way I'll be free to share my personally-made music and art with.... Nobody. Sounds really thrilling.
Why tech firms are out of tune (BBC) Posted Jan 11, 2004 19:08 UTC (Sun) by XERC (guest, #14626) [Link] ...with other people, who agree to do the same: buy a really expensivehardware and software in stead of food and clothes(or a car?), but HEI, hold on a second!!! We've got lots of various patents. How does anybody ever dare to produce(or even publish, as software patents apply to poster design, websight design and any information related to software internals, even if the methods are implemented directly in hardware) a computer, that does anything different from that of M$'s will? Oh well, lets just hope, that the European commision is not dull or indirectly corrupted enough to legalize software patents. The European Parliament's desicion was certainly a weird positive miricle.
Why tech firms are out of tune (BBC) Posted Jan 11, 2004 23:45 UTC (Sun) by JoeBuck (subscriber, #2330) [Link] Unfortunately the European Parliament will probably be ignored on this issue by the European Commission, the real European government, which is of, by, and for the corporations.
Why tech firms are out of tune (BBC) Posted Jan 12, 2004 13:32 UTC (Mon) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] s/corporations/bureaucrats/Their interests often coincide, but they're not the same.
Shows the Current Sad State of HP Posted Jan 12, 2004 3:32 UTC (Mon) by davidl (guest, #12156) [Link] Carly Fiorina has injected this attitude into HP of running around like a headless chicken going after the latest fads, rather than thinking it through. Goodness knows what Hewlett and Packard would be thinking if they were still involved. As head of a technology firm she hasn't got the faintest idea what she is talking about. This isn't sexist, as there are plenty of men like that. The heads of Sun and Novell are cases in point.
Article on the Register Posted Jan 15, 2004 11:49 UTC (Thu) by rwmj (subscriber, #5474) [Link] http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/34834.htmlLooks like HP are rapidly putting themselves out of business anyway, so we don't need to worry.
Article on the Register Posted Jan 15, 2004 11:55 UTC (Thu) by rwmj (subscriber, #5474) [Link] I'm terribly sorry. While the article in the parent is interesting, this is the one which I meant to post:http://theregister.com/content/6/34804.html. Rich.
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