(forw) Re: Linux Gazette
From: | Rick Moen <rick-AT-linuxmafia.com> | |
To: | Alan Cox <alan-AT-lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> | |
Subject: | (forw) Re: Linux Gazette | |
Date: | Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:01:07 -0800 | |
Cc: | lwn-AT-lwn.net |
Alan -- In response to your Dec. 2 LWN post at http://lwn.net/Articles/61313/ , I've posted the clarification e-mail that follows from Linux Gazette founder John M. Fisk with the following comment: "I've received a reply on the whole commercial rights matter from John M. Fisk, Linux Gazette's founder who turned leadership of the magazine over to Phil Hughes and Linux Journal / SSC, Inc. In it, Fisk confirms my understanding that he understood his agreement with SSC to involve (1) a guarantee that LG would remain non-commercial, and (2) that Fisk did NOT assign to SSC, Inc. any trademark rights. It would appear that, in its current course of action, SSC, Inc. attempting not only to run roughshod over a volunteer effort, but in so doing is misrepresenting the nature and extent of its legal rights." -- Rick Moen Contributing Editor, Linux Gazette http://linuxgazette.net/ ----- Forwarded message from jf235@email.med.yale.edu ----- Return-path: jf235@email.med.yale.edu Envelope-to: rick@linuxmafia.com Delivery-date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:29:04 -0800 Received: from spongebob.med.yale.edu ([130.132.232.116]:34174) by linuxmafia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22 #1) id 1AU5Kk-0007D7-5A for <rick@linuxmafia.com>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:28:58 -0800 Received: from spongebob.med.yale.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by spongebob.med.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBAEU92i010570 for <rick@linuxmafia.com>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:30:09 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by spongebob.med.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBAEU8Kg010568 for rick@linuxmafia.com; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:30:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: spongebob.med.yale.edu: apache set sender to jf235@email.med.yale.edu using -f Received: from 130.132.60.165 ( [130.132.60.165]) as user jf235@email.med.yale.edu by webmail.med.yale.edu with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:30:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1071066607.3fd72df002e46@webmail.med.yale.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:30:08 -0500 From: jf235@email.med.yale.edu To: Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com> References: <20031209104947.GA31499@linuxmafia.com> In-Reply-To: <20031209104947.GA31499@linuxmafia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 130.132.60.165 Subject: Re: Linux Gazette Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO Content-Length: 5692 Lines: 112 Hi Rick, thanks for writing. I'll try to address your questions below. > Dear Dr. Fisk: > > You've probably been too busy with real life to notice, but we at > Linux Gazette magazine have been having some problems of late. To > make a long story short, because SSC announced intentions in 3Q 2003 > to effectively kill Linux Gazette by transforming it into a > Slashdot-style Web discussion forum, and for several other reasons, > the couple of dozen editors and staff unanimously voted to move the > magazine away from SSC, to http://linuxgazette.net . > > Phil Hughes at SSC, Inc. has unfortunately been extremely vindictive > about this, and is retroactively asserting commercial trademark over our > magazine's name, and based on that is attempting to seize our Internet > domain. > > It would help us a great deal if you could confirm our understanding > of your intentions in August 1996. Based on your wording in issue #8, > we believe your understanding was that SSC would continue to operate > Linux Gazette as a free, entirely non-commercial magazine alongside > its commercial offering, Linux Journal. Can you confirm this? This is correct. Bear with me for a moment and I'll try to provide a bit of background. I had started the Linux Gazette in early 1995, essentially as a means of learning HTML and to provide an educational/entertaining resource for other Linux enthusiasts. I had spent a bit of time lurking around various Linux related USENET groups and found that although there was a good deal of useful information there, the signal to noise ratio at times dipped pretty low. I had no access to the internet, other than a 2400 baud dial up connection to the Vanderbilt University VAX machine. A physics grad student, Tim, offered to host it on a site that he was running, and that's where the LG got its start. Throughout the early life the LG, I was always beholden to others to the host the content. My stated intention at that time was to start a monthly online magazine with a variety of article formats: in-depth articles, short tips-and-tricks, email correspondance, etc. It was always intended to be open (in the sense of open to all contributors), free (in the sense of beer AND speech), non-commercial, and "moderated" only in the sense that no flames or derogatory material were going to be allowed. At the time, the Linux community was pretty small (Patrick V. was just getting Slackware well established and Marc Ewing, Erik Troan, and Donny Barnes were gearing up for RedHat!) and collegial. It was an almost instant success in terms of community interest and took very little time for several regular contributors to come forward and offer to provide monthly articles of good quality. Within a year, I was getting overwhelmed trying to provide the time to get new editions of the Linux Gazette ready and sent out to the various hosting sites. In 1996, I received an unexpected call from Phil Hughes at SSC with an offer to take over the management of the Linux Gazette. He mentioned that he had the personnel to handle the editing and distribution aspects and that he would continue to make it available as it had been started - open, free, and non-commercial. Phil was very pleasant and we entered into a "gentleman's agreement" that he would take over management of the Linux Gazette and I would be able to retire gracefully and continue to contribute as time allowed (which clearly, it has not...) No money was exchanged during this transaction and no documentation was created or signed -- we simply had an mutual verbal agreement. They were good to their word and Marjorie Richardson did a wonderful job of handling the early efforts of keeping the LG going. On my part, I returned to residency in Pathology at Yale and am currently completing a fellowship in Transfusion Medicine. I was delighted to have someone interested in the LG and have greatly appreciated their years of dedication to it. > Can you also confirm that you made no agreement with SSC, Inc. to > assign them any trademark? That is correct: the verbal agreement that Phil Hughes and I entered into was that the Linux Gazette would continue as it had been started, the only change being that SSC would take over the day to day management of it. > I will stress that we bear absolutely no ill will towards SSC, Inc. or > towards Mr. Hughes. We wish only to prevent his use of belated > trademark claims to harrass the Gazette, after its departure from his > site. I'm deeply sorry to hear of this situation. Phil was a godsend and I appreciate his efforts in keeping the LG going. I will demur on comment as to whether moving to a "Slashdot Style" format is A Good Thing(tm) or not -- it certainly was not my original intention. It's unfortunate that a complementary solution could not be amiably arrived at: a "two-site" Linux Gazette, as crazy as that sounds, wouldn't be entirely a bad idea. As long as the two sites linked to each other, I could envision having a Slashdot style site with daily chatter and such, and an ongoing monthly online magazine as a complementary site for more currated content. Just a thought... > (The situation is admittedly somewhat more confused than that, but I > was going to omit the gory details.) Again, sorry to hear about this mess. I hope that it can be resolved in an amicable fashion and that the community will support, rather than split from, whatever is decided. I wish you the best. The grace and wisdom of God be with you. cheers, John -- John M Fisk, M.D. Transfusion Medicine Fellow, Department of Laboratory Medicine Yale University School of Medicine, New Haven, CT (203) 688-2441 ----- End forwarded message -----