Major vendors to push Linux to the desktop (InfoWorld)
Sources said that once the acquisition [of SUSE] is finalized early next year, [Novell] will tightly stitch the Ximian Desktop with an enhanced version of SuSE 9.0, which would enable smooth connections to Novell's GroupWise collaboration server, ZENworks resource manager, and security and integration products. The company also claimed that it will more than double the number of engineers working on the Ximian Desktop and will focus on improving the Gnome desktop environment, the OpenOffice suite, and Mozilla browser."
Posted Nov 25, 2003 16:39 UTC (Tue)
by pointwood (guest, #2814)
[Link] (12 responses)
Posted Nov 25, 2003 17:06 UTC (Tue)
by TheOneKEA (guest, #615)
[Link] (9 responses)
Personally, I've always used KDE (although the 90/10 rule applies), and I like it. It's a good setup for me.
Posted Nov 25, 2003 17:36 UTC (Tue)
by proski (subscriber, #104)
[Link] (7 responses)
I actually don't think SuSE will drop KDE completely, even if they change the default.
Posted Nov 25, 2003 18:34 UTC (Tue)
by cpeterso (guest, #305)
[Link] (6 responses)
Posted Nov 25, 2003 18:49 UTC (Tue)
by havoc (guest, #2261)
[Link] (5 responses)
I think that getting some/all of SUSE's KDE engineers to work with the Ximian/Gnome desktop should bring a lot of strength, value and interoperability to both desktops. I've used KDE since I adopted SUSE as my desktop for the very simple reason that KDE was SUSE's default. I'm confident that switching to a SUSE Gnome desktop would be virtually transparent after SUSE puts their work into it. At one time, I hoped that the two projects would merge. I see that as a futile goal now, and I understand that the two desktops are essential to different core groups, while the rest of us (that's me and people like me, but maybe not you and people like you) are in the middle, and the desktop environment itself is less important as long as it stays out of the way and lets me use Konqueror, Evolution, and OpenOffice.org (fill in your own etc's). In a way, the Ximian-Gnome/SUSE-KDE "merger" is exciting since neither group is "core" (in itself) to the desktop they develop, but both are strong, cornerstone contributors and supporters.
Posted Nov 25, 2003 22:13 UTC (Tue)
by kdart (guest, #486)
[Link] (4 responses)
That said, I am Gnome user, and am happy to know of this transition. I had previously installed and tried Suse, but un-installed it because it did not support Gnome hardly at all. Suse is heavily into KDE. This match that Novell has made seems very strange to me....
Posted Nov 25, 2003 22:29 UTC (Tue)
by rmstar (guest, #3672)
[Link] (3 responses)
Precisely because of this reason this is good news for all those who do
not use C++, but instead some of the other languages, like Python, Common
Lisp, Ruby, whatever.
This will mean a saner language to interface with when writing bindings
and apps.
Posted Nov 25, 2003 23:56 UTC (Tue)
by kdart (guest, #486)
[Link]
Posted Nov 26, 2003 0:16 UTC (Wed)
by juanjux (guest, #11652)
[Link] (1 responses)
Posted Nov 27, 2003 14:50 UTC (Thu)
by dmantione (guest, #4640)
[Link]
Posted Nov 25, 2003 21:20 UTC (Tue)
by pointwood (guest, #2814)
[Link]
Posted Nov 25, 2003 22:13 UTC (Tue)
by drathos (guest, #6454)
[Link] (1 responses)
*patiently waiting for e17*
Sounds a lot like Suse will switch from KDE to GNOME as default the desktop environment.
Major vendors to push Linux to the desktop (InfoWorld)
That doesn't mean that KDE will die -- it just means that KDE will migrate into another distro like Debian, Gentoo or Mandrake, if none of those three don't already offer KDE as a GUI.Major vendors to push Linux to the desktop (InfoWorld)
How do you imagine migration of KDE from SuSE to Mandrake? You mean that the KDE developers employed by SuSE will change jobs? Or you mean the users will migrate to another distribution if the new versions of SuSE don't offer KDE?
Please define migration
When Novell says they will "double the number of engineers working on the Ximian Desktop", I wonder if those will be all the KDE engineers? That could be a major blow to KDE development, but maybe this will improve KDE/GNOME compatibility.Please define migration
I'm hoping this is the case. KDE and Gnome FINALLY started working together last year, and that's a great thing. There are so many things the two projects have to offer each other without sacrificing their "core concepts."Please define migration
That sounds good in theory. However, remeber that we are talking about open source developers here. They are often very opionated and desire to work on what they like best. Also, each environment requires a fairly large learning curve, each having a large set of APIs (all different). KDE is primarily C++,and Gnome is primarly C. That alone is telling of the "philosophical" differences between the two. I suspect the transition will not be that smooth, and there will be a lot of ruffled feathers among the KDE developers. Please define migration
KDE is primarily C++,and Gnome is primarly C
Please define migration
Yes. In fact, that is one big reason I use Gnome because I like the GTK/Gnome Python bindings. 8-)Please define migration
There are also KDE and Qt binding for some other languages (C, C#, Python, Java and others I now don't remember).
Please define migration
Don't ask what kind of interfaces. For any language except C++, GTK is waaayyy more Please define migration
comfortable to program. Linking against C++ is very hard. I'm co-author of Free Pascal,
and we still do not have C++ linking; just because it is so much trouble. Instead it looks
like we will do automatic wrapper generators to solve this stuff.
You would expect that I use Gnome because of that reason. Nope. I like KDE much
more. However, for development, GTK is the better solution.
KDE will certainly not die and that's not what I wrote either.
Major vendors to push Linux to the desktop (InfoWorld)
They've already stated (can't find the link ATM) that SuSE will continue to use KDE as its default desktop. While this confuses me a bit (WRT having lots of developers working on competing products), it doesn't mean a lot to me personally. I don't use either.Major vendors to push Linux to the desktop (InfoWorld)