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Interview with Sun Java Desktop Group (OSNews)
OSNews has an
interview with the Sun Java Desktop Group. "[T]he Java Desktop
System is envisioned as a set of applications that reside above the OS
layer. While the first version of JDS is built on top of SuSE Linux Desktop
1.0, that does not mean that in the future there will not be versions of
JDS running on other OSes (for instance, Solaris, Red Hat, etc are all
possibilities). Therefore JDS 2003 -is- a version of SuSE. However, what we
have done is add a desktop layer to the SuSE distribution which is uniquely
Sun's desktop. If ported to Solaris, for instance, these same application
versions and UI would still be available."
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Interview with Sun Java Desktop Group (OSNews) Posted Nov 21, 2003 10:09 UTC (Fri) by djabsolut (guest, #12799) [Link] In other words, Sun is saying that it has a linux distribution without having a linux distribution. I don't see the "JDS" going to Solaris anytime soon.
Interview with Sun Java Desktop Group (OSNews) Posted Nov 21, 2003 12:11 UTC (Fri) by davidl (guest, #12156) [Link] I've often wondered about Sun's stance on this. They claim that people will be going back to Solaris and deriding Linux but they are supposedly going to sell a lot of Linux/Gnome based desktops with Java stuck on it. I don't see them basing this on Solaris and selling lots of Sun Workstations any time soon. Besides, if they did base it on Solaris would anyone want to pay the extra cost of a Solaris license? Probably not.
Interview with Sun Java Desktop Group (OSNews) Posted Nov 21, 2003 13:39 UTC (Fri) by louie (subscriber, #3285) [Link] They will be porting JDS to Solaris. Really, it makes sense- there is no reason for them to support multiple desktop code bases (JDS and 'stock' GNOME 2.0) especially when porting most of it will be a fairly trivial job. So, port, offer the same UI everywhere, and if the customer wants it on solaris, great, and if a customer doesn't want it on solaris, they'll still offer it on Linux, I'm sure. [If they don't, Redhat and Novell will eat them for lunch. ;)
Interview with Sun Java Desktop Group (OSNews) Posted Nov 21, 2003 12:22 UTC (Fri) by quintesse (subscriber, #14569) [Link] "these same application versions and UI would still be available": in a far and distant future maybe because taking SuSe out from under the current JDS would leave like maybe 3 programs? Not really enough to use as a desktop computer IMHO :-)
Interview with Sun Java Desktop Group (OSNews) Posted Nov 21, 2003 13:41 UTC (Fri) by louie (subscriber, #3285) [Link] I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that this is not the case- JDS is striving to be an 'accessible' desktop, which can't happen with QT apps.
Interview with Sun Java Desktop Group (OSNews) Posted Nov 21, 2003 16:01 UTC (Fri) by XERC (guest, #14626) [Link] Why can't Qt applications be accessible?
Interview with Sun Java Desktop Group (OSNews) Posted Nov 21, 2003 16:26 UTC (Fri) by louie (subscriber, #3285) [Link] No support in the toolkit for the special accessibility bits. They are working on it, though.
Interview with Sun Java Desktop Group (OSNews) Posted Nov 21, 2003 17:28 UTC (Fri) by davidl (guest, #12156) [Link] What accessibility bits? An accessible desktop is defined by how people put it together and the guidelines used, not via the technology. Qt, GTK, whatever, it makes no difference. Besides, define what accessible is. Cutting a desktop to the bone is not accessibility.The notion that somehow a Qt based app cannot be 'accessible' (whatever that means) is total bollocks. It seems we've got yet another clueless anti-Qt troll in our midst.
Interview with Sun Java Desktop Group (OSNews) Posted Nov 21, 2003 17:37 UTC (Fri) by louie (subscriber, #3285) [Link] AT-SPI. Google it. It's the linux assistive technology standard, supported by open office, mozilla, and gnome. And QT, some time next year, according to a talk at kastle.
Interview with Sun Java Desktop Group (OSNews) Posted Nov 24, 2003 11:05 UTC (Mon) by davidl (guest, #12156) [Link] This hardly matters in the short to medium term for people being able to use a free-based desktop environment and being able to have apps that are 'useable' and 'accessible'. I stand by the Qt troll comment.
Interview with Sun Java Desktop Group (OSNews) Posted Nov 21, 2003 17:40 UTC (Fri) by jdub (subscriber, #27) [Link] No, it's not trollish bollocks, it's true. Qt4 will contain the necessary bits and pieces to provide toolkit a11y support, most likely based on ATK. Have a look at http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gap/ for more information about ATK and the GNOME Accessibility Project (and why a11y requires toolkit support).
The technology does matter Posted Nov 21, 2003 17:43 UTC (Fri) by whitleych (guest, #6866) [Link] Think tv and tv with closed captioning. The tech does matter. Typically those who want accessability (like myself) don't want features reduced, we want them expanded to include us.
Which way did they Sco? Posted Nov 21, 2003 13:55 UTC (Fri) by whitleych (guest, #6866) [Link] Are they endemnifying their customers? After all, they're all buddy-buddy with Sco, are they including a linux license from Sco with each copy? Since they went and bought more license from Sco, wouldn't it be fraudulent for them to sell a product that they don't consider properly licensed???Maybe that's where Sco's first big end-user lawsuit is going to come from? Some poor hapless Sun customer who bought a bunch of JDS's?? I'm not trolling, I just think Sun is playing it both ways and it bothers me. Because they are financially supporting Sco, they are in part responsible for Sdco's actions. It is of course possible that Sco had them over some sort of barrell, like failure to include proper copyright notices in Solaris...... that is not an accusation, merely a hypothetical with no basis in fact...
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