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After you tip your hand...After you tip your hand...Posted Nov 20, 2003 3:47 UTC (Thu) by nd (guest, #15578)In reply to: After you tip your hand... by jhardin Parent article: Thomas Bushnell is no longer Hurd maintainer > This makes it impossible for us to offer... Rightfully so! Why pollute GNU/Linux with proprietary trash? Don't you > Linux will *never* take the desktop away from Microsoft without proprietary applications Oh, yes, it will. ... as soon as the trash makers like you go out of their miserable business. Good luck with Windows, kiddy.
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After you tip your hand... Posted Nov 20, 2003 20:28 UTC (Thu) by bex (guest, #16960) [Link] stop being an elitest. I say let people lisence their software as they wish. If you don't want it don't get it. As long as everyone has a choice it should be ok. There are so many opensource developers out there that it's likely you'll end up seeing an open version or clone of the closed source software anyway. Let developers do whatthey want with their work and stop trying to get the world to see it your way.Yes, I think the open source model is much better than closed and I don't use propriety/closed software when I don't have to, but it's nice to have that as my choice and not forced.
After you tip your hand... Posted Nov 20, 2003 22:19 UTC (Thu) by argent (guest, #17054) [Link] "Why pollute GNU/Linux with proprietary trash?"Until you're running it on an open source processor built in garage FABs with open source VHDL tools and open source BIOS and... well, until Vernor Vinge's "Ungoverned" future history comes to pass, it's proprietary trash you're running Linux (with or without a GNU userland) on, and it's proprietary trash that's driving the demand that makes fast bitty boxes so cheap that you can afford the luxury of contempt for it. Right now... Right now I'm feeling I've stepped into the middle of Eric Flint's "Belisarius" saga, with Richard Stallman playing the part of Link and/or Great Lady Holi, while the mongrel Romans with their impure blood nibble them to death... After all... right now the most popular even /partly/ open-source desktop operating system is running on that horrible proprietary hardware that Stallman used to bitterly complain about, with a proprietary GUI and API on top... and it's the proprietary GUI and API and the proprietary apps that run on it that sell Mac OS X to most people, not the fact that Darwin is BSD at the core... Mongrel! Impure! Unclean! Oh the horror! Oh the embarassment! All die...
After you tip your hand... Posted Nov 21, 2003 0:05 UTC (Fri) by coriordan (guest, #7544) [Link] > Until you're running it on an open source processorThis is the "If I can't be perfect, I won't even try" argument. It's a great excuse to do nothing, for people that are looking for such an excuse. > ... (I can't find a point in the rest of your comment)
After you tip your hand... Posted Nov 21, 2003 16:25 UTC (Fri) by jhardin (guest, #3297) [Link] > Why pollute GNU/Linux with proprietary trash?Because there are not good Open Source solutions for all problem domains. >> Linux will *never* take the desktop away from Microsoft So you're saying that a vendor of a proprietary application package who wants very much to be able to provide that package on a Linux desktop is *bad* for Linux on the desktop? When, if we were able to provide our application on a Linux desktop, we would be able to offer a Linux user workstation to our clients as a product, thus increasing the adoption of Linux on the desktop by opening it to a market where it would otherwise not be an option? > Good luck with Windows, kiddy. Sadly we have no other alternative. We *love* Linux and would dearly love to be able to ship our application package on it. We can't. I am just saying that hostility towards proprietary applications that run on Linux is going to hinder adoption of Linux on the desktop. Can you rationally (e.g. without name calling and dogmatic blindness) argue that I am incorrect?
After you tip your hand... Posted Nov 21, 2003 22:26 UTC (Fri) by coriordan (guest, #7544) [Link] > Can you rationally ... argue that I am incorrect?Of course. Here's the root of your mistake: > ...thus increasing the adoption of Linux... You are starting from the incorrect assumtion that our goal is simple popularity. "adoption of Linux" is not the goal (adoption of GNU/Linux is also not the goal). The goal is to allow people to use a computer in freedom. It's not important which Free Software operating system is the most popular. GNU/Linux is probably our best bet though, because it's freedom is mostly protected with copyleft licenses such as the GNU GPL. If you can convince your company to release it's software under the GNU GPL, it would be a great contribution. You say that relicensing is not possible? Many great men have done what people previously said was impossible.
After you tip your hand... Posted Nov 21, 2003 23:54 UTC (Fri) by jhardin (guest, #3297) [Link] > You are starting from the incorrect assumtion that our goal> is simple popularity. ... > The goal is to allow people to use a computer in freedom. Granted. Okay, we're not arguing the same argument, then. Pax. It seems nd's meds are a bit off.
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