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Before this gets out of hand...Before this gets out of hand...Posted Nov 19, 2003 20:45 UTC (Wed) by piman (subscriber, #8957)In reply to: Before this gets out of hand... by coriordan Parent article: Thomas Bushnell is no longer Hurd maintainer > I'm on Thomas's side, but lets get our facts straight. What fact did I say that was wrong? > The problem is that Thomas represents stuff that contradicts GNU policy. Thomas does not "represent" stuff that contridicts GNU policy, any more than a whole person represents any particular ideology. I have seen Thomas speak out very eloquently against the GNU FDL, but I have seen many other people do so, as well. There is nothing about Thomas's inherent being, or anyone else's, that is anti-GNU. If Debian "dismissed" developers every time that they disagreed with the project or policy, there would be very few developers. In Debian's case, we have the mailing lists to publicly debate issues, the Technical Committee for a "final" decision, and an election process if things get horribly messed up. On the other hand, the only voice coming out of the GNU project is RMS, and he also seems to be the one who makes all the decisions. (From your later post...) > But remember that you're only hearing one side of this story. This is not a problem if an organization conducts its business in the open, as most Free Software and Open Source organizations do. > Stallman just does his best. On this issue, I'm not happy with his best, but lets not all point out where the strongman stumbled. Do you really mean this? Because RMS has done good things in the past, we should not criticize him now? Sorry, but I care about free software. While I acknowledge that RMS is human and makes mistakes, that doesn't mean those mistakes don't need to be fixed.
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Before this gets out of hand... Posted Nov 19, 2003 21:27 UTC (Wed) by coriordan (guest, #7544) [Link] Sorry, I've confused the thread with my comment. I was trying to address multiple comments in a rush as my dinner was getting cold :-)There were many speculative comments flying around. This of course was not helped by the incorrect title to this article. Thomas has not been removed from development. He has had the title of "maintainer" taken from him. This is a fairly meaningless title anyway, nothing like the Debian "developer" title. (But I don't agree with Richards reasons for removing it.) Yes, we should point out where Stallman makes mistakes, but too many (other) people take too much pride in being able to point out a flaw in this man. > > But remember that you're only hearing one side of this story This started as a private conversation between RMS and Thomas. I think it's okay for people to have private conversations. (Thomas then posted the conclusion to a private mailing list for discussion, and a member of that list posted it to a public list, and a member of the public list posted it to LWN, and LWN published it without checking the details)
Before this gets out of hand... Posted Nov 20, 2003 1:36 UTC (Thu) by Ross (subscriber, #4065) [Link] The title of this article is currently:"Thomas Bushnell is no longer Hurd maintainer" How is that incorrect or misleading? As for the body, I suppose it could be wrong that he is no longer the
Before this gets out of hand... Posted Nov 20, 2003 1:40 UTC (Thu) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link] I did change the title, mostly because I thought the new one fit better into the weekly edition, which will be out shortly. That was probably a mistake; we try to avoid substantive changes after we put something up.The old title was "Thomas Bushnell removed from Hurd development."
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