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release without full time paid worker bees". The current plan seems to be to put out 13.2 in November, with SUSE still providing security support thereafter.
Update: see also this note from Greg
Freemyer. "The openSUSE team @ suse therefore has decided to take a 8-month
period to push away from day-to-day issues and instead focus on the
improvements needed in [the Open Build Service] and openQA to handle the requirements
caused by the success of OBS.
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Posted Jan 31, 2014 16:52 UTC (Fri)
by xorbe (guest, #3165)
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Posted Jan 31, 2014 17:12 UTC (Fri)
by hadrons123 (guest, #72126)
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Posted Jan 31, 2014 21:31 UTC (Fri)
by niner (subscriber, #26151)
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"There is no decrease in SUSE's involvement in openSUSE! As mentioned in
Posted Feb 1, 2014 3:06 UTC (Sat)
by welinder (guest, #4699)
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I read that and thought "if they add any more spin to that text then Earth must stop rotating to compensate". In other words, "yeah, right".
Obviously I could be misreading the tea leaves.
M.
Posted Feb 1, 2014 13:29 UTC (Sat)
by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
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A distribution (one of the few) that has always favoured KDE ?????????
Either you were using the wrong distro, or the wrong desktop :-)
Cheers,
Posted Feb 2, 2014 11:15 UTC (Sun)
by ebassi (subscriber, #54855)
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SUSE's support of GNOME has been greatly improved over the last few years; the latest stable SUSE ships with a fairly vanilla release of GNOME 3.10, and it's one of the best packagings out there, along with Fedora. plus, SUSE is still on the GNOME Foundation's advisory board, and it's always a delight working with them.
Posted Feb 3, 2014 12:38 UTC (Mon)
by ovitters (guest, #27950)
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Posted Jan 31, 2014 23:23 UTC (Fri)
by joyuh (guest, #95216)
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Why do they work for free to enrich a specific company (SUSE, which is not even one of the market leaders, Red Hat and Canonical) and improve a relatively obscure commercial distribution, rather than contributing to an open project like Debian?
Posted Jan 31, 2014 23:32 UTC (Fri)
by dlang (guest, #313)
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not wanting to get involved with the Debian politics is probably a common one.
not agreeing with the Debian definition of "open" is another (but related) one.
people shouldn't need 'reasons' to work on the projects that they are interested in.
Posted Feb 1, 2014 1:49 UTC (Sat)
by imgx64 (guest, #78590)
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Posted Feb 1, 2014 13:32 UTC (Sat)
by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
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(In case that statement sounds odd, don't forget I spell things like "theatre" and "colour" ... - and we don't have letter paper over here.)
Cheers,
Posted Feb 1, 2014 2:22 UTC (Sat)
by mrdocs (guest, #21409)
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"...a relatively obscure commercial distribution".
Go to any really large enterprise and you are probably going to find SUSE somewhere. Some examples:
Look under the hood of any Teradata EDW and it is SUSE underneath.
Some 70% of all SAP ERP systems running on Linux are SUSE.
Some 80% of Linux on Mainframe is SUSE Linux. SUSE did the orginal port of Linux to mainframe with IBM.
VMWare Esxi embeds SUSE Linux in every copy.
I could go on and on, but with those are but a few good examples.
SUSE often does not get the credit and visibilty in North America as the others do, but it is a leader and innovator in many many areas. Who ported Linux to 64 bits ? SUSE and AMD.
Disclaimer, I do work for SUSE, but before that I was a customer and then joined the community around 2005. The community is vibrant and I know SUSE does really care that the community is successful and values their participation.
SUSE has not backed away one iota, but its a reorg to make things work better for everyone _and_ give the community more control over the distro.
Posted Feb 1, 2014 4:34 UTC (Sat)
by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167)
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Hmm. On Alpha, in 1995? Linus Torvalds and Jon "maddog" Hall?
Posted Feb 1, 2014 11:05 UTC (Sat)
by paulj (subscriber, #341)
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Posted Feb 1, 2014 14:30 UTC (Sat)
by niner (subscriber, #26151)
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Posted Feb 1, 2014 6:25 UTC (Sat)
by kay (subscriber, #1362)
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Kay
Posted Feb 2, 2014 2:06 UTC (Sun)
by lsl (subscriber, #86508)
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Can you expand on that? VMWare does ship lots of code with a Linux origin (mainly drivers I think) in ESXi but where does SUSE come in here?
Posted Feb 2, 2014 5:55 UTC (Sun)
by raven667 (subscriber, #5198)
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It is true that the VMware management appliance VMs are built with SuSE/Tomcat/Postgresql replacing the Windows/Tomcat/MSSQL standalone VirtualCenter software.
Posted Feb 10, 2014 12:00 UTC (Mon)
by robbe (guest, #16131)
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Where VMware uses Linux, it will probably be SUSE, though. The most notable example being the non-Windows version of vCenter.
Posted Feb 3, 2014 20:09 UTC (Mon)
by k8to (guest, #15413)
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Personally I loved the distro from around 5.0 until 7-ish, and then departed for Debian (I also worked there from around 5.3 to around 6.4ish).
Posted Feb 1, 2014 15:33 UTC (Sat)
by jke (guest, #88998)
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Your false premise is that if I work for a particular distribution then I can ONLY improve that specific distribution. There's no such restriction in any sensible distribution. If I send a patch upstream to Linus, I'm not improving my distribution. I'm improving Linux. If I send a patch to curl, I'm not improving my distribution. I'm improving curl. Or Bash, or GIMP, or Pidgin, or any of the other thousands of things that make up a distribution.
It takes a shallow, stupid, distribution to keep patches to themselves and avoid working in upstreams.
Yes there are areas that are generally specific to a particular distribution but those represent the minority of the overall work being done. Most of the work still happens upstream with participants from a plethora of different distributions and not exclusively the most popular ones.
The idea that all distributions work in isolation of each other is a bit silly.
Posted Feb 1, 2014 12:27 UTC (Sat)
by toscalix (guest, #95313)
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I am Agustin Benito Bethencourt, openSUSE Team Lead at SUSE. I would like to clarify the following:
1.- SUSE has not only NOT decreased the number of SUSE employees working on openSUSE Release, but we have increased it. There is no plan to change that.
2.- We are not focusing our work in other areas. What we are doing is improving Factory, the integration phase of the openSUSE Release.
3.- Hence SUSE's compromise with the next openSUSE Releases has not changed.
If you have any further questions regarding this issue, please do not hesitate to contact me by mail or visit our booth at FOSDEM.
Agustin Benito Bethencourt
Posted Feb 5, 2014 0:51 UTC (Wed)
by xorbe (guest, #3165)
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Robert's mail, it's simply that the openSUSE team at SUSE is choosing to
focus on other openSUSE topics that release engineering, in order to
improve the quality of openSUSE. That includes openQA, workflow in OBS,
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