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Review: SuSE Linux 9 (NewsForge)Review: SuSE Linux 9 (NewsForge)Posted Nov 13, 2003 22:50 UTC (Thu) by einstein (subscriber, #2052)In reply to: Review: SuSE Linux 9 (NewsForge) by paulfrancis Parent article: Review: SuSE Linux 9 (NewsForge) Sounds like you have some hardware issues - you shouldn't judge SUSE on the troubles you're having getting it installed. I have it installed on several systems and find it to be fairly nice, just a bit different from the redhat + freshrpms systems I'm used to. You mentioned that ms windows, a pc operating system, is even more expensive than suse linux professional, a multiuser, unix-like operating system, yet thought that reflected badly on suse? I don't quite follow the logic there... I don't use ms windows, but from what I understand you'd have to pay quite a lot more to use it in the same way that you are allowed to use linux. and, in any event, you can always download the whole thing from their ftp site, if the $49 suse pro upgrade price is too rich for your tastes.
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Review: SuSE Linux 9 (NewsForge) Posted Nov 14, 2003 0:17 UTC (Fri) by petegn (guest, #847) [Link] Well i have been using SuSE since early on about 5.2 i think it was alongwith other distros inbetween and suse blows em all away just upgraded from 8.2 to 9 with absolutley no problems at all .. My only gripe is that a friends install went ok apart from the pesky USB ADSL Modem darn things why they have to make em USflipping B I'll Never know whats wrong with Ethernet like the cable modems so darn simple why dont i live in a cable enabled area drat darn stupid adsl .. Pete .
Review: SuSE Linux 9 (NewsForge) Posted Nov 14, 2003 0:45 UTC (Fri) by paulfrancis (guest, #15494) [Link] I don't think the issues are with my hardware. The hardware works with both RH8 and Mandrake9.1. Things like the desktop and the hard disks should work out of the box. I am willing to put up with configuring X myself (and SUSE did this incorrectly as well) but I don't think I should have to correct disk problems especially when I told it what drives and partitions to use. I have a two year old PC (Athlon XP2000, 512MB memory, 4 x 7200RPM UDMA5 disks (not SATA) on a ABIT KG7 RAID motherboard and an NVIDIA FX5600 card with a Digital Flat Panel.My point about about the price of Windows XP and the price of SUSE is that they are almost the same. Why is SUSE priced the same? If I pay the same I want it to work out of the box like Windows. We are talking about home desktop systems here. I want to use my Linux box in the same way any Windows user uses their box. If you look at SUSE's web site they will tell you what great multimedia features and desktop features they offer. But unfortunately they don't work. I think you are lucky. You just happened to have compatible hardware that SUSE managed to support. I my case I was not so lucky. But it's not that I didn't do some research. My sound card is claimed to be supported by ALSAPLAYER. But it doesn't work with ALSAPLAYER. It is a very common (and fine) sound card. But it doesn't work with SUSE. And there's also no excuse for the disk problems. And the GNOME failure is a fatal blow. These are fundamental features which have to work at this price range.
Review: SuSE Linux 9 (NewsForge) Posted Nov 14, 2003 1:29 UTC (Fri) by einstein (subscriber, #2052) [Link] Why is SUSE priced the same?Actually it's even less expensive than windows, which is the remarkable thing. If I pay the same I want it to work out of the box like Windows. For most people it does - obviously your situation is unusual. I've installed it on a number of systems and simply don't see the issues you describe. OTOH I know many folks with tales of woe about how windows won't work for them. We are talking about home desktop systems here. I want to use my Linux box in the same way any Windows user uses their box. Not me - I want to do much more with linux than I can do with windows. If you look at SUSE's web site they will tell you what great multimedia features and desktop features they offer. But unfortunately they don't work. For most people they do - I don't know what youtr issues are, since I don't know the details of your system. But if you are looking only for something to be like windows, why not just keep using windows? I am using Linux because I want something better.
SuSE hardware issues Posted Nov 14, 2003 2:58 UTC (Fri) by vblum (guest, #1151) [Link] I have used SuSE for years, and your findings seem really unfortunate. Most stuff "justworks" ... But, they have their glitches, like everyone else ... I have seen some glitches with their X Server setup in much earlier releases, though - that I also remember having trouble with the sound configuration time and again, years ago; I Both these are long past for me, but I was always confused why they were issues at all ... And, they probably _are_ a KDE-oriented distribution, I am not sure many people use SUSE That your disks would not be configured correctly .... that seems wild. It also sounds like a good luck V.
Post Scriptum Posted Nov 14, 2003 3:02 UTC (Fri) by vblum (guest, #1151) [Link] PS: Are you really sure that installing Windows just works, in general? Last time I saw aprofessional install an OS by that name on new hardware, it seemed to take a day :-)
Review: SuSE Linux 9 (NewsForge) Posted Nov 14, 2003 7:44 UTC (Fri) by tomsi (subscriber, #2306) [Link] I think that it is you who are unlucky. And the reason might be your highpoint controller. I tried to install SUSE on a PC with a highpointIDE kontroller (PCI card) and the installer went crazy. (As I didn't need the card I removed it). I suggest that you also try to disable ACPI as the ACPI support doesn't always work properly. If you still have SUSE installed, try booting with the boot option acpi=off. I am one of the many users who have switched from RedHat to SUSE and have had more success with the latter lately. RH8/RH9/Fedora does have the best looking user interface though.
Review: SuSE Linux 9 (NewsForge) Posted Nov 14, 2003 12:03 UTC (Fri) by zipdisk (subscriber, #8589) [Link] WIndows XP: US$100Office XP(Upgrade): US$300 Bunch of applications: US$200 (this includes winzip, a fine antivirus and stuff like that) Total Price: US$500 SuSE Pro: US$79.95 is your math different from mine? or am i missing something?
Review: SuSE Linux 9 (NewsForge) Posted Nov 14, 2003 20:49 UTC (Fri) by UncleWarthog (guest, #12337) [Link] WIndows XP: US$100Office XP(Upgrade): US$300 Bunch of applications: US$200 (this includes winzip, a fine antivirus and stuff like that) Total Price: US$500 SuSE Pro: US$79.95 Mentally giving Bill Gates the finger: priceless. Seriously, though, SuSE Pro for about $80, is a wonderful value. It's even better when you realize that the personal version for $40 ships with everything you would need to have to use it as a Windows desktop (and Microsoft Office) replacement. You can also get an update version of SuSE Pro (box and discs but no dead-tree versions of all the documentation) for about the half the price. Also keep in mind that these are list prices; most retailers selling over the web are selling it for less. I think Amazon sells it for somewhete between $65 and $70 for the Pro version. As far as compatible hardware goes, I've found current versions of SuSE to be fairly compatible with everything I've thrown it at. I use a SBLive audio card myself and don't have the kind of problems described. (A hint on something to look at if you haven't already: open the Kmix {audio mixer} program and look at how the levels are set. I've occasionally seen them set too low so that it only seems like there's no sound.) I wouldn't expect it to be compatible with everything that Windows is compatible with; Some hardware is developed only for Windows yet Linux has good support for some of that too.
Review: SuSE Linux 9 (NewsForge) Posted Nov 15, 2003 9:19 UTC (Sat) by ctg (subscriber, #3459) [Link] You forgot all the development tools and languages, all the databases, all the mail servers, the web servers, the sound/media development stuff etc.You're looking at more like $15,000+
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