Two new Debian installers

November 12, 2003

This article was contributed by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier.

There are quite a few accolades heaped on the Debian GNU/Linux distribution, but "it has a great installer" is rarely one of them. While the current installer has its defenders, many users find it to be arcane and difficult -- particularly those who are new to Linux. The point that one only need install Debian once is well-taken, but the first attempt often befuddles new users to the point of abandoning Debian GNU/Linux before they can fully appreciate the strengths of the distribution.

Now users have not one, but two new installers to look forward to in the near future. The Debian Project has been working on a new installation system for the "Sarge" release for some time. Joey Hess announced the first beta release of the installer on November 9 and called for users to help test the beta. Ian Murdock had also announced in October that Progeny has ported Red Hat's Anaconda to Debian. Progeny has also ceased work on several projects, PGI, autoinstall, gnome-tasksel and python-parted, in favor of Anaconda for Debian.

We decided we would take a look at the new installation methods to see what the Debian community would be using in the future. We downloaded the Beta 1 installer ISO with Debian base and put it to the test by installing Sarge. The new installer still doesn't come with all the bells and whistles, or fancy GUI, but it does include a welcome feature in the form of hardware detection. This will be a relief for users who are eager to try out Debian but lack any idea about which kernel module is required for their network card, and so on.

The first stage of the installer detects hardware and attempts to configure the network settings via DHCP. Users without a DHCP server handy can manually configure their network after DHCP fails. (Assuming they have a supported Ethernet card, of course.) The user is also able to complete the first-stage install without a network connection if necessary. Next the user is prompted to use cfdisk to partition their hard disk, then the installer allows the user to configure and mount partitions. After this, the base system will be installed and the system is rebooted. Upon system boot, the user works through base-config to configure their system.

According to the HOWTO, base-config is not considered part of the installer. However, we went ahead and looked at the entire procedure required to install Debian Sarge, which includes running through base-config.

Overall, we feel that the new installation procedure promises to be an improvement. However, the user is still expected to know much more about the distribution and hardware when installing Debian Sarge than if they install Fedora, SUSE, Mandrake or even Slackware. Users are asked to make a lot of decisions during the installation, and if unfamiliar with the terminology, they will undoubtedly be intimidated.

The base-config procedure does provide detailed help text for most options, but if they are not familiar with the concepts being presented they will likely have a difficult time making the necessary decisions. Even worse, it does not provide a way to go back and change options during configuration. For example, if a user forgets the distinction between the various Exim configuration options, they cannot cycle back to re-read the descriptions of Exim's default configurations.

Though Progeny's installer has not been publicly released yet, we contacted Ian Murdock of Progeny and received a current snapshot of their work with Anaconda as a Debian installer.

It is, to say the least, not quite ready for prime-time. Some of the features have not yet been implemented or do not work, including Ethernet card configuration and adding regular users. However, the pre-release we were given was enough to get the general feel for the installer. While the graphics have been changed, using Progeny's Anaconda for Debian is very much like installing Red Hat Linux 9 or Fedora. The GUI procedure is very simple and straightforward, and doesn't require much knowledge on the part of the user doing the install.

As exciting as Anaconda for Debian may be to some, Murdock's announcement of Progeny's port of Anaconda produced some friction on the debian-devel mailing list. Many on the list were concerned that Anaconda would detract from debian-installer work and delay the release of Sarge, or serve as a waste of resources when Progeny could have been working on debian-installer.

Murdock replied that it was not Progeny's intent to detract from work being done by the Debian Project:

...this work doesn't aim to compete with/replace d-i. I strongly suspect it would be non-trivial to make Anaconda work on all 11 architectures. Could bits of Anaconda eventually be combined with d-i to give Debian an install process that millions of people are familiar with? Sure, but certainly not in the sarge timeframe. Could people use it in an unofficial capacity in the meantime to get up and running on IA-32 and IA-64? Sure. That's why we're putting it out there.

Debian-installer is definitely an improvement, and it looks to be very stable. The entire Debian installation routine, including base-config, needs some work before it will be ready for less experienced Linux users. Progeny's Anaconda, once it is finished, looks as if it will be an attractive alternative for those who would like to run Debian on x86 systems, but lack the chops to get past a non-GUI installation that requires a great deal of knowledge about their system and Linux.

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Two new Debian installers

Posted Nov 14, 2003 13:00 UTC (Fri) by ametlwn (subscriber, #10544) [Link]

Even worse, it does not provide a way to go back and change options during configuration. For example, if a user forgets the distinction between the various Exim configuration options, they cannot cycle back to re-read the descriptions of Exim's default configurations.

While you are configuring exim4 (which afaik is suppposed to be sarge's default MTA) you can go back to the previous exim-question, it depends on the debconf-frontend how this function is invoked. - The Gnome frontend has a <Back>-button, the dialog-frontend uses <cancel> for this purpose and the readline-frontend uses Pageup (or ctrl-u). The going back is limited to the questions of the currently configured package, though.

Two new Debian installers

Posted Nov 15, 2003 6:35 UTC (Sat) by wolfrider (guest, #3105) [Link]

--For now, I'm installing Debian with Knoppix CD's - and looking heavily at Mepis.