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Attacking Tor: how the NSA targets users' online anonymity (The Guardian)

Attacking Tor: how the NSA targets users' online anonymity (The Guardian)

Posted Oct 5, 2013 9:04 UTC (Sat) by dakas (guest, #88146)
In reply to: Attacking Tor: how the NSA targets users' online anonymity (The Guardian) by geertj
Parent article: Attacking Tor: how the NSA targets users' online anonymity (The Guardian)

You paint it as a problem that politicians would love to have a surveillance state. But that's not a problem.

A problem is when they can get it. That requires technical means, and the criminal energy for diverting significant amounts of a country's resources against the people's good: there is a reason the U.S.A. is on the brink of bankruptcy, not because they would bother providing basic second-world life standards to its citizens but because they are focused on mongering empire-level war, terror and surveillance on their own and foreign populations.

Sure, this kind of stuff is the wet dream of other politicians as well, but the point is that there are barriers against them getting it. For example a proper division of powers.

Take a look at Germany: with nice regularity the leading parties pass surveillance laws, and with nice regularity the Supreme Court throws them out again.

Now the U.S.A. has declared itself to be in a continuous state of emergency since sometime in the sixties or seventies or so, so they have unaccountable courts (basically justified like martial law) and unaccountable procedures, using unaccountable funds granted by secret commissions that don't have the technical means to verify the bullshit that the secret service et al sell them.

How about asking your representatives to goddamn put the U.S.A. out of the ridiculous state of national emergency that has been used as a cheap excuse for bypassing constitutional processes for generations already?


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Attacking Tor: how the NSA targets users' online anonymity (The Guardian)

Posted Oct 5, 2013 13:37 UTC (Sat) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]

I agree, one problem though is that knowledge of how society used to operate before the cold war is passing out of living memory, its hard to convince people to end "the emergency" when they have known nothing else in their life.

Attacking Tor: how the NSA targets users' online anonymity (The Guardian)

Posted Oct 6, 2013 18:59 UTC (Sun) by ewan (subscriber, #5533) [Link]

It should be fairly clear to those who have known nothing else that this isn't an emergency, it's normality.

Attacking Tor: how the NSA targets users' online anonymity (The Guardian)

Posted Oct 6, 2013 20:18 UTC (Sun) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]

That is my point, since this is now "normal", to propose any changes to it is new uncharted territory, therefore harder to convince people to change, and not a return to "normalcy". It is a radical new world, and most people are not radical.

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