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No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10

No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10

Posted Oct 3, 2013 17:14 UTC (Thu) by khim (subscriber, #9252)
In reply to: No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10 by robclark
Parent article: No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10

May be. But this goes against Occam's razor principle.

Android have won because it was there first. In “good enough” state, I mean. OpenMoko, Maemo/Meego, Tizen and many other projects have failed for one simple reason: they were late. And it's obvious that “proper” “community project” moves slower then “developed in isolation” project. Simply because you need more interactions to achieve consensus. Of course at later stage (when basic functionality is done) you need “community” (or at least “alliance”) because it's the only way to create lots of small tweaks, but start doing that too early and your project will not be done in time.

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No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10

Posted Oct 3, 2013 17:25 UTC (Thu) by robclark (subscriber, #74945) [Link]

android won because it had the corporate credibility with carriers and handset manufactures which comes from the google backing. That is really all.

No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10

Posted Oct 3, 2013 20:27 UTC (Thu) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

Really all? Why Google (an outsider company!) could do that but Nokia (with Meego), Motorola (with OpenEZX), Samsung (with SLP) and even dozen of high-profile mobile companies together (with LiMo) could not do that?

Yes, “corporate credibility” is important (and Ubuntu is sorely lacking in this department), but something else is clearly needed, too.

No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10

Posted Oct 3, 2013 21:18 UTC (Thu) by robclark (subscriber, #74945) [Link]

yes.. well, I actually worked for an SoC vendor at the time android was starting, so maybe had a bit of a different perspective. But seems to me like their success was:
(a) somewhat neutral ground (ie. not associated with one or small # of handset makers or carriers), with a big enough backer that all the carriers and handset makers pay attention
(b) get something out there... doesn't matter that it really sucks in the beginning, google is big enough to catch developer interest to start getting app ecosystem going
(c) rinse, repeat until you have something decent

But don't underestimate the google power.. a lot of people inside the industry were pretty much assuming android would be the next big thing back when android was in diapers and way inferior on a technical level compared to alternatives like maemo/meego.

No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10

Posted Oct 4, 2013 9:19 UTC (Fri) by BlueLightning (subscriber, #38978) [Link]

Er, did Motorola actually sponsor OpenEZX or was it simply a community project?

No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10

Posted Oct 4, 2013 16:22 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

Mea culpa. Of course Motorola's project was called EZX. You are right, OpenEZX is community project not supported by Motorola.

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