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No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10Posted Oct 2, 2013 14:43 UTC (Wed) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582)In reply to: No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10 by Otus Parent article: No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10
I'm actually impressed that they were this close to enabling it in 13.10 (and are indeed enabling it for the phone). If it is that good, they have leapfrogged Wayland with less than a year of work, and who knows what they will achieve in the next six months... but we will know how good it is only once it is being widely used 'in the wild'.
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No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10 Posted Oct 2, 2013 15:05 UTC (Wed) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link] I'll be interested to see how much "technical debt" they're racking up for themselves...
No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10 Posted Oct 2, 2013 15:49 UTC (Wed) by j1mc (subscriber, #56848) [Link]
They weren't *this close* to enabling Mir for 13.10, they were close to enabling X-Mir. There is a difference.
No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10 Posted Oct 2, 2013 16:13 UTC (Wed) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link]
XMir runs on Mir. It is a major achievement to replace Xorg with XMir. If it were trivial, why didn't Fedora or others ship with X-Wayland as default years ago? It would have been the best way to kickstart porting to Wayland.
No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10 Posted Oct 2, 2013 16:33 UTC (Wed) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950) [Link]
Because there is no benefit in doing that. You might want to read http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/26254.html.
No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10 Posted Oct 2, 2013 17:04 UTC (Wed) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link]
I assume you read it too, as well as the comments? There is a benefit to pushing (Mir/Wayland) out to users, even if they are using X(Mir/Wayland) to actually run their programs, and even if Xmir is not very different at this point from Xorg. Apart from wider testing of Mir itself, several other points are brought up in the comments.
No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10 Posted Oct 2, 2013 17:46 UTC (Wed) by tuna (guest, #44480) [Link]
The only point I found in the comment was that it would be technically possible to have better VT switching, but that is not enabled in the current Mir/XMir setup.
Did you find something else?
No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10 Posted Oct 2, 2013 21:31 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
> XMir runs on Mir. It is a major achievement to replace Xorg with XMir.
It's more accurate to say that Mir runs on XMir.
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/26254.html
It's a bit old article, but I doubt a huge amount has changed.
No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10 Posted Oct 2, 2013 22:09 UTC (Wed) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239) [Link]
Not really. XMir is a Mir client, it depends on there being a Mir server process running. It just doesn't use that Mir server for performing drawing operations.
No Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10 Posted Oct 6, 2013 12:01 UTC (Sun) by krake (subscriber, #55996) [Link]
> XMir runs on Mir. It is a major achievement to replace Xorg with XMir.
It would be a major achievement if it had been achieved :)
You might have missed it but a short while back there was a huge flamefest because some XMir specific patches were removed from a Xorg driver.
Those patches wouldn't be necessary if XMIr ran on Mir due to Mir doing the actual input/output hardware/driver access.
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