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Ten years of FedoraTen years of FedoraPosted Sep 23, 2013 16:17 UTC (Mon) by Neowin (guest, #93001)In reply to: Ten years of Fedora by hummassa Parent article: Ten years of Fedora
> Try to download (lots of) old w98 software and run it undef w7. Hilarity always ensue. Google for "improved windows 7 compatibility" for a lot of examples. In a house with a lot of custom software, shit hits the fan with some frequency.
Nowadays, Windows implies Windows NT, thank you.
App broken doesn't mean API breakage.
> Took half a man-month to deploy a solution for that problem, that appeared in a nondescript hotfix and vanished away with some (published) API.
Can you name the APIs?
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Ten years of Fedora Posted Sep 23, 2013 19:11 UTC (Mon) by hummassa (subscriber, #307) [Link]
> Nowadays, Windows implies Windows NT, thank you.
We still have some 300+ Windows98/only hardware and 1000+ Office97 licenses. You have to work with what you have.
> And note that Windows 7 provides an XP Mode VM.
Have you ever tried it? We did. It's not pretty, nor is it usable by our regular users.
> Does your fancy Linux distro provide such "plan B"?
Yeah, you install libc5:i386 and you can run a xv binary compiled c. 1995.
> Can you name the APIs?
As I mentioned, it was 5 years ago or so, but I am searching my emails... If I find it, I will post it here.
Ten years of Fedora Posted Sep 24, 2013 3:26 UTC (Tue) by Neowin (guest, #93001) [Link]
> We still have some 300+ Windows98/only hardware and 1000+ Office97 licenses. You have to work with what you have.
Don't you know http://www.openoffice.org/
> Have you ever tried it? We did. It's not pretty, nor is it usable by our regular users.
It is perfectly usable for me.
> Yeah, you install libc5:i386 and you can run a xv binary compiled c. 1995.
Show something else? For example an valuable software like Office97.
Ten years of Fedora Posted Sep 24, 2013 7:51 UTC (Tue) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950) [Link]
I use Microsoft Office at work. Normal upgrades regularly break things. Resulting in requiring a reinstall of Microsoft Office until eventually it breaks again. I am not talking about my pc, it is multiple pcs in various locations. This on Windows XP.
Ten years of Fedora Posted Sep 24, 2013 10:05 UTC (Tue) by hummassa (subscriber, #307) [Link]
> It is perfectly usable for me.
Congrats! You are probably a smart user. I have 100+ users (in an universe of almost 4000) that had to use the thing and none of them could touch it.
Ten years of Fedora Posted Sep 24, 2013 15:57 UTC (Tue) by dashesy (subscriber, #74652) [Link] As I mentioned, it was 5 years ago or so, but I am searching my emails... If I find it, I will post it here.Search again, for keywords like dll hell, missing MSVCRT80, side by side, ActiveX OLE COM.
Ten years of Fedora Posted Oct 3, 2013 18:14 UTC (Thu) by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458) [Link] I had a Microsoft game certified for their Win98 interfaces never get past the splash screen on WinNT. That one was certified to provide said interfaces.
Ten years of Fedora Posted Oct 3, 2013 18:52 UTC (Thu) by hummassa (subscriber, #307) [Link]
Game? Try Microsoft OFFICE 97. Does not work in Windows7/64 bits. Oh, you can run it inside that virtual machine thingy, but it is so complex that NO end-users here at the shop (amongst a sample of a hundred or so) could bother to learn it.
Ten years of Fedora Posted Oct 3, 2013 21:58 UTC (Thu) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link] Even Microsoft has limits. Yes, it supports stuff for much longer than Linux vendors do, but 16 years old package (Ok, 12 years old at the time Windows 7 was released) is too old even for Microsoft. Microsoft clearly indicated that you should have upgraded over ten years ago, after all, it's not as if you had no advance notifications about the need to do that.
Ten years of Fedora Posted Oct 3, 2013 22:01 UTC (Thu) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link] WinNT was never sold as an upgrade to Windows 9X. Not even Windows 2000. Only Windows XP did. And if you'll consider the fact that it had completely revamped internal architecture and everything then it's surprising to see how few hiccups were there with Windows98 to WindowsXP upgrade.
Ten years of Fedora Posted Sep 24, 2013 7:55 UTC (Tue) by intgr (subscriber, #39733) [Link]
> And note that Windows 7 provides an XP Mode VM.
> Does your fancy Linux distro provide such "plan B"?
Yes, my fancy Linux distro easily provides older releases for download. It also provides virtualization software in the repositories. What's your point again?
The thing for Microsoft is, they *have* to allow this explicitly, because otherwise you would be committing piracy. Not everyone with Windows 7 has a legal Windows XP license. In the open source world, licensing is not a problem, so they don't have to bundle it.
Ten years of Fedora Posted Sep 24, 2013 15:40 UTC (Tue) by dashesy (subscriber, #74652) [Link] Try that fancy XP mode with an old database program that tries to save a file in C:It seems to be successful, but you look in C: and it is not there, try to save again and it overwrites a ghost! a nasty OS level redirection to some secret vault, trying to increase security by hiding C: is only good for malware-happy old generation that is stuck with 80s OS. XP mode rarely makes any useful application usable (really try some old game that needs XP mode to just run and notice the ugliness). If you do not mind the glitch there, I used to run a 8 year-old Fedora in a chroot and it worked great. The fun fact is that there is no nasty OS-level hack (like XP copy/paste/redirection mode), but a clean and elegant forward-compatible design.
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