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Ten years of FedoraTen years of FedoraPosted Sep 23, 2013 14:05 UTC (Mon) by Tester (subscriber, #40675)In reply to: Ten years of Fedora by Neowin Parent article: Ten years of Fedora
> A Flash Player stuck on 11.2 is also a joke for a "desktop" OS.
Get the non-free Chrome then, this is now the only way to get Flash 12 on Linux as it's now Google maintaining it, not Adobe.
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Ten years of Fedora Posted Sep 23, 2013 14:58 UTC (Mon) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
This.
People need to be dragged out into the street and beaten with a clue stick for spreading misinformation about the 'Flash is now unsupported on Linux'.
I mean it's one thing to not understand what is going on, which is fine as most people have better things to do then worry about the state of Adobe support for Linux, but it's quite another to go around making innumerable reddit articles and forum posts announcing the demise of Flash on Linux or what can be done now that Flash is no longer supported on Linux.
It's just silly. Chrome PAPI plugin version of Flash outclasses the NAPI plugin version of Flash in most respects. It's faster, the audio works a lot better, it is sandboxed better, and it's a hell of a lot more stable.
... and it's also why I am using Chromium and not Chrome nowadays because it doesn't come with built-in support for Adobe Spyware. It is at least as bad, and quite possibly worse, then running around on the world wide web with a Java plugin enabled. (that and it avoids the proprietary PDF viewer also)
If anybody actually use Linux Desktop because of the perceived improvement security and privacy, but still insists on using Flash they are doing themselves a huge disservice. Nowadays there is a significant amount of HTML5 video content out there and in many cases downloaders like 'clive' can fetch most content that isn't available under webm or html5 other format by default.
Ten years of Fedora Posted Sep 23, 2013 16:24 UTC (Mon) by Neowin (guest, #93001) [Link]
> It's just silly. Chrome PAPI plugin version of Flash outclasses the NAPI plugin version of Flash in most respects. It's faster, the audio works a lot better, it is sandboxed better, and it's a hell of a lot more stable.
Can I use it in Firefox, Opera?
What, you ask me to do some symbolic link?
> ... and it's also why I am using Chromium and not Chrome nowadays because it doesn't come with built-in support for Adobe Spyware. It is at least as bad, and quite possibly worse, then running around on the world wide web with a Java plugin enabled. (that and it avoids the proprietary PDF viewer also)
> If anybody actually use Linux Desktop because of the perceived improvement security and privacy, but still insists on using Flash they are doing themselves a huge disservice. Nowadays there is a significant amount of HTML5 video content out there and in many cases downloaders like 'clive' can fetch most content that isn't available under webm or html5 other format by default.
I have the freedom to install a "spyware" and view a Web with more contents. You don't.
Ten years of Fedora Posted Sep 23, 2013 17:04 UTC (Mon) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
> Why should I lose my freedom to use latest Flash player in my favorite browser other than Chrome/Chromium?
I think you are severely degrading the term 'freedom' when you are using it in this context. It's actually somewhat offensive.
> What, you ask me to do some symbolic link?
I have no clue what you are talking about.
> I have the freedom to install a "spyware" and view a Web with more contents. You don't.
Again with the 'freedom' thing. Now it's even a more disgusting and deplorable usage.
Ten years of Fedora Posted Sep 23, 2013 17:55 UTC (Mon) by Neowin (guest, #93001) [Link]
> I think you are severely degrading the term 'freedom' when you are using it in this context. It's actually somewhat offensive.
Can you explain how you have greater freedom when you have less software to choose from?
Ten years of Fedora Posted Sep 23, 2013 19:08 UTC (Mon) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
> Can you explain how you have greater freedom when you have less software to choose from?
The amount of software choice has no bearing on the amount of freedom you have personally.
When you say 'freedom' in your other post what you really are saying is: "I want people to do a bunch of work to make what I want to do trivially easy'. This is NOT freedom. This is a overarching sense of self-entitlement.
I can fully understand your desire to use the latest version of flash in your preferred browser, but guess what: Flash is a closed source pile of shit and if you want to use it you have to play by Adobe's rules because of copyright laws. If you want real freedom then petition the government to get rid of IP laws, not bitch about the fact that you have to use Chrome to get the newest version of flash.
> You basically put yourself in a jail.
Hardly.
Ten years of Fedora Posted Oct 3, 2013 8:14 UTC (Thu) by yeti-dn (guest, #46560) [Link]
No, you put yourself to a Flash jail.
Ten years of Fedora Posted Sep 23, 2013 16:38 UTC (Mon) by Neowin (guest, #93001) [Link]
Don't forget that you don't have the freedom to use the proper tool to generate Flash content.
BTW, modern Adobe support Flash to HTML5 conversion:
Ten years of Fedora Posted Sep 23, 2013 18:28 UTC (Mon) by luya (subscriber, #50741) [Link]
That is Adobe problem which has nothing to do with freedom.
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