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Fedora 20 gets its name
Greetings! Voting has concluded for the Fedora 20 release name, and the results are now available for viewing. The Fedora 20 release name is: Heisenbug Voting period: Friday 2013-08-16 00:00:00 to Friday 2013-08-30 23:59:59 Number of valid ballots cast: 361 Using the range voting method, each potential name could attain a maximum of (361*8) = 2,888 votes. Results: Votes :: Name ------------------------------- 1549 :: Heisenbug 1291 :: Eigenstate 961 :: Félicette 879 :: Superego 826 :: Cherry Ice Cream 808 :: Chateaubriand 750 :: Santa Claus 653 :: Österreich 1 :: 20 -Robyn -- announce mailing list announce@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/announce (Log in to post comments)
Fedora 20 gets its name Posted Sep 4, 2013 0:23 UTC (Wed) by horen (subscriber, #2514) [Link] "For reasons that are not entirely clear no matter how closely one looks, the Fedora project would appear to have chosen "Heisenbug" as the name of the upcoming Fedora 20 release."Reason? Speed!
Fedora 20 gets its name Posted Sep 4, 2013 9:29 UTC (Wed) by josh (subscriber, #17465) [Link]
Yeah, but who knows how they'll position this release.
Fedora 20 gets its name Posted Sep 4, 2013 1:32 UTC (Wed) by hadrons123 (guest, #72126) [Link]
Am I the only one who thinks this name is better than the F18 and F19 names?
Fedora 20 gets its name Posted Sep 4, 2013 5:32 UTC (Wed) by Cato (subscriber, #7643) [Link]
I think 'heisenbug' is a word whose day in the sun is long overdue... Great choice of name.
Fedora 20 gets its name Posted Sep 4, 2013 5:54 UTC (Wed) by tzafrir (subscriber, #11501) [Link]
Not sure. Schrödinger's cat is also a good name IMHO.
Fedora 20 gets its name Posted Sep 4, 2013 10:27 UTC (Wed) by cesarb (subscriber, #6266) [Link]
> Schrödinger's cat is also a good name IMHO.
It both is and isn't a good name.
The cat experiment Posted Sep 4, 2013 12:26 UTC (Wed) by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167) [Link]
It is perhaps ironic that Schrödinger's Cat is one of several thought experiments intended to _ridicule_ the interpretation it illustrates. Schrödinger like me preferred to argue that something was wrong by following it to an absurd conclusion. If we can place an atom into superposition why not a cat?
Some modern interpretations do not give an absurd outcome for the cat experiment. In "many worlds" the timeline divides, irrevocably, into copies with dead or live cats and each observer finds themselves in one timeline or another with either a live or dead cat. In "ensemble" the experiment can't be assessed meaningfully except by repeating it and applying statistics, some of the cats die, some live, none are ever in an indeterminate state. The "objective collapse" family draw a line in the sand, the trick works with the inanimate atom but not with a cat.
Of course just because something seems absurd doesn't automatically mean it's not true. But when we have a choice in how to interpret things avoiding absurd interpretations seems wise, and that's why Schrödinger wrote this thought experiment.
The cat experiment Posted Sep 4, 2013 13:20 UTC (Wed) by hummassa (subscriber, #307) [Link]
I thought the whole "the particle decay would turn the gas on" counted as observing, hence the experiment was invalid to begin with.
The cat experiment Posted Sep 4, 2013 15:46 UTC (Wed) by andreasb (subscriber, #80258) [Link]
> I thought the whole "the particle decay would turn the gas on" counted as observing, hence the experiment was invalid to begin with.
IANAPhysicist, but that is the idea behind quantum decoherence, where information leaking to other physical systems (and not necessarily a human observer / "consciousness") causes wave function collapse.
The problem is that the wave function collapse is just a kludge introduced to explain why we don't see quantum superposition in our everyday macroscopic lives and why we get semiclassical results with "measurements". There is no experimental evidence that wave function collapse is even a real thing. Hence other interpretations like "many worlds" that don't introduce a collapse in the first place.
The cat experiment Posted Sep 4, 2013 17:21 UTC (Wed) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] There is no experimental evidence that wave function collapse is even a real thing.Not only is there no experimental evidence, there is no theoretical backing either: the equations of quantum mechanics never mention collapse, measurement, or anything like that. There is just a giant wavefunction that keeps growing forever. This explains why interpretations of QM can exist that do not include this 'collapse' monster, many of which do indeed have the wavefunction growing forever (the most famous of these is probably many-worlds, but there are others).
The cat experiment Posted Sep 4, 2013 17:15 UTC (Wed) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]
Not really. Schroedinger's cat experiment is still valid - a cat would be in a superposition of states for an external observer. I never understood what is the problem with that - if you can't know the current state of the cat, then does it matter if it's alive or dead?
Interpretations of QM are just that - they interpret the results.
The cat experiment Posted Sep 4, 2013 18:22 UTC (Wed) by markhb (guest, #1003) [Link]
It does if you're the one who is supposed to feed it or clean the litter box.
The cat experiment Posted Sep 4, 2013 19:19 UTC (Wed) by rgmoore (subscriber, #75) [Link] You don't have to worry about feeding and cleaning the litter box until the box is opened and you make an observation.
The cat experiment Posted Sep 5, 2013 3:29 UTC (Thu) by awalton (subscriber, #57713) [Link]
If you wait long enough you don't even need to open the box.
Fedora 20 gets its name Posted Sep 4, 2013 15:33 UTC (Wed) by andreasb (subscriber, #80258) [Link]
>> Schrödinger's cat is also a good name IMHO.
> It both is and isn't a good name.
You won't know until you use it.
Fedora 20 gets its name Posted Sep 4, 2013 14:03 UTC (Wed) by hpro (subscriber, #74751) [Link]
How about Schrödinger's grep?
Fedora 20 gets its name Posted Sep 4, 2013 15:13 UTC (Wed) by dashesy (subscriber, #74652) [Link]
Plus Schrödinger's cat may bring in a Heisenbug in the entire software stack, resulting in a Heisencat mutant that eats beefy miracles.
Fedora 20 gets its name Posted Sep 4, 2013 2:24 UTC (Wed) by mattdm (subscriber, #18) [Link]
Yeah, we're not tempting fate with this one at all....
Fedora 20 gets its name Posted Sep 4, 2013 3:32 UTC (Wed) by smoogen (subscriber, #97) [Link]
Well if we are.. no one will be able to reliably replicate the problems :)
Fedora 20 gets its name Posted Sep 4, 2013 7:46 UTC (Wed) by tnoo (subscriber, #20427) [Link]
The closer you are at squashing it, the wider it affects the system.
Fedora 20 gets its name Posted Sep 4, 2013 4:49 UTC (Wed) by dilinger (subscriber, #2867) [Link]
"Now.. Say my name."
Fedora 20 gets its name Posted Sep 4, 2013 13:28 UTC (Wed) by Rudd-O (subscriber, #61155) [Link]
Beefy miracle was the best.
Fedora 20 gets its name Posted Sep 4, 2013 23:52 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
Of course it was. Barely anybody even knew that Fedora had code names before that one.
Fedora 20 gets its name Posted Sep 5, 2013 10:00 UTC (Thu) by zonker (subscriber, #7867) [Link]
I was pretty fond of "Zod" and "Moonshine" as well.
Fedora 20 gets its name Posted Sep 5, 2013 12:37 UTC (Thu) by smitty_one_each (subscriber, #28989) [Link]
I'm awaiting "Zardoz".
Fedora 20 gets its name Posted Sep 5, 2013 10:47 UTC (Thu) by Company (guest, #57006) [Link] It certainly did a better job than "That and a pair of testicles".
Fedora 20 gets its name Posted Sep 5, 2013 14:31 UTC (Thu) by JEFFREY (subscriber, #79095) [Link]
Every trollish, curmudgeonly bit of me that has been burned by the NIH "innovations" in Fedora, especially since F14, wants to call F20 this instead:
* Hindenburg *
Fedora 20 gets its name Posted Sep 6, 2013 3:46 UTC (Fri) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
I am so glad you resisted that silly temptation and retained the (usually) high quality of lwn comments.
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