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Fedora keeps sendmail — for nowFedora keeps sendmail — for nowPosted Aug 2, 2013 22:20 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304)Parent article: Fedora keeps sendmail — for now Wow. That really was an epic meltdown. Lennart should learn to take criticism better. He's even worse at taking it than I am. :) He strikes me as someone who'd be very happy maintaining his own OS, with no users but himself to get in his way. But perhaps he's not happy unless he drags the world with him -- ready or not.
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Fedora keeps sendmail — for now Posted Aug 3, 2013 11:54 UTC (Sat) by cdamian (subscriber, #1271) [Link]
I don't care much about sendmail, but neither do I look forward to Lennartix (Lennix?), where I can't use simple Unix text file tools to maintain my system.
Only when we have turned Linux into Windows NT we will notice that you can't use vi on the registry or grep on the binary log.
Fedora keeps sendmail — for now Posted Aug 3, 2013 17:13 UTC (Sat) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
Then again, binary is not always totally bad. e.g. I don't have much sympathy with people who say, ooh, E17 sucks because it uses binary configuration files, given that you can transform them into textual files with edje_decc and go the other way with edje_cc. So, maybe it should have been implemented by keeping the textual files around and edje_cc'ing them when needed, but the functional difference is nil, given that you can get text out of them easily, and can get text out of *all* of them with a trivial shell for loop.
Fedora keeps sendmail — for now Posted Aug 4, 2013 0:17 UTC (Sun) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link] I must have missed something. Exactly when and where did Lennart Poettering propose introducing a binary registry for Linux configuration instead of simple Unix text files?
Fedora keeps sendmail — for now Posted Aug 7, 2013 10:23 UTC (Wed) by mikemol (subscriber, #83507) [Link]
Fedora keeps sendmail — for now Posted Aug 7, 2013 10:38 UTC (Wed) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link] I know about the binary logging format of journald, thank you very much. Please show me where Lennart Poettering says that there should be a binary registry for configuration settings, which was my original question.
Fedora keeps sendmail — for now Posted Aug 7, 2013 10:52 UTC (Wed) by cdamian (subscriber, #1271) [Link]
I didn't say this in my original message either. I was predicting a future where I could see this happening.
And as with binary log files there might be a good reason for these. In some people's opinion at least.
Fedora keeps sendmail — for now Posted Aug 7, 2013 11:05 UTC (Wed) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link] You did give the impression that »Lennartix« was supposed to be an operating system that could no longer be maintained with »simple Unix file tools«. One can probably quibble about whether journald's binary logs are A Good Thing (as of now it's not as if journald was mandatory in any way, shape, or form, even on systemd-based systems, or would preclude the use of a traditional syslog daemon). However, I don't think it is quite fair to suggest, even ironically, that Lennart Poettering was against text files for configuration – if anything, systemd itself is an obvious counterexample to this claim. Quite on the contrary, systemd is probably doing more for the cross-distribution standardisation, and hence future-proofing, of these text files than any other effort has done recently. As far as binary configuration goes, there are various systems that try to store Linux configuration data in an LDAP directory, which is probably the closest we get to a »binary registry« these days. Like you said, there are some advantages to this (especially in larger networks) but so far nobody seems to be advocating for making this approach standard.
Fedora keeps sendmail — for now Posted Aug 7, 2013 11:46 UTC (Wed) by mikemol (subscriber, #83507) [Link]
Ah, I missed mention of configuration settings among all the other discussion of his desire to get rid of syslog's network functionality, and thought that's what you were talking about.
Fedora keeps sendmail — for now Posted Aug 7, 2013 15:34 UTC (Wed) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389) [Link]
Syslog will still be able to talk to the network. Its the journal that he won't implement it for.
Fedora keeps sendmail — for now Posted Aug 15, 2013 15:31 UTC (Thu) by Tester (subscriber, #40675) [Link]
We already have a binary format for configuration, it's called dconf and it's used by the GNOME desktop.
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