Brief items
The current development kernel is 3.11-rc1,
released on July 14. "
Ignoring the
lustre merge, I think this really was a somewhat calmer merge window. We
had a few trees with problems, and we have an on-going debate about stable
patches that was triggered largely thanks to this merge window, so now
we'll have something to discuss for the kernel summit. But on the whole, I
suspect we might be starting to see the traditional summer slump (Australia
notwithstanding)." This release, alas, also has a new codename:
"Linux for Workgroups."
Stable updates: 3.10.1,
3.9.10,
3.4.53, and
3.0.86 were all released on July 13.
Greg warns that 3.9.10 may be the final release in the 3.9.x series.
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Not much can hurt us deep in our dark basements after all, except
maybe earthquakes, gamma ray eruptions and Mom trying to clean up
around the computers.
—
Ingo Molnar
I'm perfectly happy to run linux-scsi along reasonable standards of
civility and try to keep the debates technical, but that's far
easier to do on a low traffic list; obviously, I realise that style
of argument doesn't suit everyone, so it's not a standard of
behaviour I'd like to see universally imposed. In fact, I've got
to say that I wouldn't like to see *any* behaviour standard imposed
... they're all basically cover for power plays (or soon get abused
as power plays); the only real way to display leadership on
behaviour standards is by example not by fiat.
—
James Bottomley
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Here's
a
lengthy posting from Jim Gettys on the current state of the fight
against bufferbloat and what needs to be done now. "
Many have
understood bufferbloat to be a problem that primarily occurs when a
saturating 'elephant flow' is present on a link; it is easiest to test for
bufferbloat this way, but this is not the only problem we face. The
dominant application, the World Wide Web, is anti-social to any other
application on the Internet, and it’s collateral damage is severe. Solving
the latency problem, therefore, requires a two prong attack."
Comments (28 posted)
Kernel development news
By Jonathan Corbet
July 16, 2013
![[New logo]](/images/2013/3.11-logo.png)
Linus
announced the release of 3.11-rc1 —
and the closing of the 3.11 merge window — on July 14. While the
merge window was open, 9,494 non-merge changesets were pulled into the
mainline kernel repository. The
last
of those changes changed the kernel's codename to "Linux for Workgroups"
and modified the boot-time logo; the new version appears to the right.
Clearly, Linux development has moved into a new era.
Of those 9,494 changes, 1,219 were pulled since last week's summary. User-visible changes in
that final batch of patches include:
- The new O_TMPFILE ABI has changed slightly in response to concerns expressed by Linus. In short,
open() ignores unknown flags, so software using
O_TMPFILE on older kernels has no way of knowing that it is
not, in fact, getting the expected temporary file semantics.
Following a suggestion from Rasmus
Villemoes, Al Viro changed the user-space view of O_TMPFILE
to include the O_DIRECTORY and O_RDWR bits — a
combination that always results in an error on previous kernels. So
applications should always get an error if they attempt to use
O_TMPFILE on a kernel that does not support that option.
- The zswap compressed swap cache has
been merged into the mainline. The changes to make the memory
allocation layer modular, called for
at this year's Storage, Filesystem, and Memory Management Summit,
appear not to have been made, though.
- The "blk-throttle" I/O bandwidth controller now properly supports
control group hierarchies — but only if the non-default
"sane_behavior" flag is set.
- The "dm-switch" device mapper target maps I/O requests to a set of
underlying devices. It is intended for situations where the mapping
is more complicated than can be expressed with a simple target like
"stripe"; see Documentation/device-mapper/switch.txt
for more information.
- New hardware support includes:
- Systems and processors:
ARM System I/O memory management units (hopefully pointing to an
era where ARM processors ship with a standard IOMMU) and
Broadcom BCM3368 Cable Modem SoCs.
- InfiniBand:
Mellanox Connect-IB PCI Express host channel adapters.
- Miscellaneous:
Intel's "Rapid Start Technology" suspend-to-disk mechanism and
Intel x86 package thermal sensors (see Documentation/thermal/x86_pkg_temperature_thermal
for more information).
- Video4Linux:
OKI Semiconductor ML86V7667 video decoders,
Texas Instruments THS8200 video encoders, and
Fushicai USBTV007-based video capture devices.
- Watchdog:
Broadcom BCM2835 hardware watchdogs and
MEN A21 VME CPU carrier board watchdog timers.
- Staging graduations:
TI OMAP thermal management subsystems.
Changes visible to kernel developers include:
- Module loading behavior has been changed slightly in that the
load will no longer fail in the presence of unknown module
parameters. Instead, such parameters will be ignored after the
issuing of a log message. This change allows system configurations to
continue working after a module parameter is removed or when an older
kernel is booted.
- The MIPS architecture now supports building with
-fstack-protector buffer overflow detection.
Recent development cycles have lasted for about 70 days (though 3.10, at 63
days, was significantly shorter). If that pattern holds for this cycle,
the 3.11 kernel can be expected around September 9.
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By Jonathan Corbet
July 17, 2013
In the dim and distant past (March 2005), the kernel developers were
having
a wide-ranging discussion about
various perceived problems with the kernel development process, one of
which was the inability to get fixes for stable kernel releases out to
users. Linus suggested that a separate tree for fixes could be maintained
if a suitable "sucker" could be found to manage it, but, he predicted, said
sucker would "
go crazy in a couple of weeks" and quit. As it
turns out, Linus had not counted on just how stubborn Greg Kroah-Hartman
can be; Greg (along with Chris Wright at the time) stepped forward and
volunteered to maintain this tree, starting with the release of
2.6.11.1. Greg has continued
to maintain the stable trees ever since. Recently, though, he has
expressed some frustrations about how the process is working.
In particular, the announcement of the
review stage for the 3.10.1 release included a strongly-worded complaint
about how subsystem maintainers are managing patches for the stable tree.
He called out two behaviors that he would like to see changed:
- Some patches are being marked for stable releases that clearly
do not belong there. Cosmetic changes to debug messages were called
out as an example of this type of problem.
- More importantly: a lot of the patches marked as being for the stable
tree go into the mainline during the merge window. In many cases,
that means that the subsystem maintainer held onto the patches for
some time — months, perhaps — rather than pushing them to Linus for a
later -rc release. If the patches are important enough to go into the
stable tree, Greg asked, why are they not going to Linus immediately?
Starting with the second complaint above, the explanation appears to be
relatively straightforward: getting Greg to accept changes for the stable
tree is rather easier than getting Linus to accept them outside of the
merge window. In theory, the rules for inclusion into the stable tree are
the same as for getting patches into the mainline late in the cycle: the
patches in question must fix some sort of "critical" problem. In practice,
Linus and Greg are at least perceived to interpret the rules differently.
So developers, perhaps unwilling to risk provoking an outburst from Linus,
will simply hold fixes until the next merge window comes around. As James
Bottomley put it:
You mean we delay fixes to the merge window (tagged for stable)
because we can't get them into Linus' tree at -rc5 on? Guilty
... that's because the friction for getting stuff in rises. It's a
big fight to get something marginal in after -rc5 ... it's easy to
silently tag it for stable.
Greg's plan for improving things involves watching linux-next starting
around the -rc4 mainline release. If patches marked for the stable series
start appearing in linux-next, he'll ask the maintainers why those patches have not
yet found their way to Linus. Some of those patches may well find
themselves refused entry into the stable tree if they only show up in the
mainline during the merge window.
The topic of fully inappropriate patches, while the lesser part of Greg's
complaint, became the larger part of the discussion. There are, it seems,
any number of reasons for patches to be directed at the stable tree even if
they are not stable material. At one extreme, Ben Herrenschmidt's description of how the
need to get code into enterprise kernels drives the development process is
well worth reading. For most other cases, though, the causes are probably
more straightforward.
For years, people worried that important fixes were being overlooked and
not getting into the stable updates; that
led to pressure on developers to mark appropriate
patches for the stable tree. This campaign has been quite successful, to
the point that
now, often, developers add a stable tag to a patch that fixes a
bug as a matter of reflex. Subsystem maintainers are supposed to review
such tags as part of their review of the patch as a whole, but that review
may not always happen — or those maintainers may
agree that a patch should go into the stable tree, even if it doesn't
adhere to the rules. And sometimes subsystem maintainers can't remove the
tag even if they want to. All this led James to propose doing away with the stable tag
altogether:
The real root cause of the problem is that the cc: stable tag can't
be stripped once it's in the tree, so maintainers only get to
police things they put in the tree. Stuff they pull from others is
already tagged and that tag can't be changed. This effectively
pushes the problem out to the lowest (and possibly more
inexperienced) leaves of the Maintainer tree.
James (along with others) proposes that putting a patch into the stable
tree should require an explicit action on the subsystem maintainer's part.
But Greg dislikes this idea, noting that
maintainers are already far too busy. The whole point of the stable tree
process is to make things as easy for everybody else as possible; adding
work for maintainers would endanger the success of the whole exercise.
That is especially true, he said, because some developers might encounter
resistance from their employers:
And that annoys the hell out of some Linux companies who feel that
the stable kernels compete with them. So people working for those
companies might not get as much help with doing any additional work
for stable kernel releases (this is not just idle gossip, I've
heard it directly from management's mouths.)
Another proponent of explicit maintainer involvement is Jiri Kosina, who,
in his work with SUSE's kernels, has encountered a few problems with stable
kernels. While the stable tree is highly valuable to him, some of the
patches in it cause regressions, some are just useless, and, for some,
there is no real indication of why the patches are in the stable tree in
the first place. Forcing maintainers to explicitly nominate and justify
patches for the stable tree would, he said, address all three types of
problem.
The first type — patches that introduce bugs of their own — will probably
never be eliminated
entirely; that is just how software development works. Everybody in the
discussion has acknowledged that, once a buggy fix is identified, Greg
quickly makes a stable release with that patch removed, so regressions tend
not to stay around for long. Useless patches include those that are
backported to kernels that predate the original bug; this problem could be
addressed by placing more information in the changelog describing when the
bug was introduced. The final type of problem raised by Jiri — mysterious
patches — turned out to be security
fixes. Jiri (and others) would like security fixes marked as such in the
changelog, but that is unlikely to
happen; instead, more effort is being
made to notify distributors of security fixes via private channels.
In other words, while changes are likely to be made, they will not be
fundamental in nature. Greg is likely to become fussier about the
patches he accepts for the stable tree. Chances are, though, that he will
never be as hard to please as Linus in this regard. In the end, the
consumers of the stable tree — distributors and users both — want
fixes to be included there. The stable kernel series is one of the biggest
successes of the kernel development process; any changes to how they are
created are likely to be relatively small and subtle. For most of us, the
fixes will continue to flow as usual.
Comments (5 posted)
By Jonathan Corbet
July 17, 2013
As has been widely reported, the topic of conduct on kernel-related mailing
lists has, itself, been the topic of a heated discussion on the
linux-kernel mailing list. While numerous development communities have
established codes of conduct over the years, the kernel has never followed
suit. Might that situation be about to change? Your editor will attempt a
factual description of the discussion, followed by some analysis.
What was said
The setting was an extensive discussion on policies for the management of
the stable kernel series and, in particular, the selection of patches for
stable updates. It was an interesting discussion in its own right (which
will be covered here separately), and it was generally polite. Even so,
there came a point where Sarah Sharp couldn't take it anymore:
Seriously, guys? Is this what we need in order to get improve
-stable? Linus Torvalds is advocating for physical intimidation
and violence. Ingo Molnar and Linus are advocating for verbal
abuse.
Not *fucking* cool. Violence, whether it be physical intimidation,
verbal threats or verbal abuse is not acceptable. Keep it
professional on the mailing lists.
For the record, she was responding to this
note from Linus:
Greg, the reason you get a lot of stable patches seems to be that
you make it easy to act as a door-mat. Clearly at least some people
say "I know this patch isn't important enough to send to Linus, but
I know Greg will silently accept it after the fact, so I'll just
wait and mark it for stable".
You may need to learn to shout at people.
Ingo's contribution was:
So Greg, if you want it all to change, create some _real_ threat:
be frank with contributors and sometimes swear a bit. That will cut
your mailqueue in half, promise!
Whether these messages constitute "advocating for physical intimidation and
violence" or even "advocating for verbal abuse" will be left for the reader
to decide. But Sarah's point was clearly not that these specific messages
were out of line; she is concerned with the environment on the linux-kernel
mailing list in general. She has since taken
the discussion to other forums (with more examples) and, in general,
seems intent on changing the nature of the community's discourse.
Needless to say, responses on the list were mixed, though they were
generally polite and restrained. A number of people, Linus included,
pointed out that the number of personal attacks on the list is actually quite
small, and that Linus tends to reserve his strongest language for
high-level maintainers who (1) are able to take it, and
(2) "should know better" than to do whatever it was that set Linus
off. Opinions differ on whether that is a good thing. Jens Axboe said:
I've been flamed plenty in the past, and it's been deserved (most
of the time). Perhaps I have a thick skull and/or skin, but it
doesn't really bother me. Or perhaps I'm just too much of an old
kernel fart these days, so I grew accustomed to it. As long as I
don't have to see Linus in his bathrobe, then that's enough
"professionalism" for me.
On the other hand, Neil Brown echoed the
feelings of a number of participants who worry that the tone of the
discussion tends to discourage people from joining the community: "He
is scolding people senior developers in front of newcomers. That is not
likely to encourage people to want to become senior developers."
Being flamed can be hard on the recipient, but it can also affect the
community by deterring other developers from participating.
For his part, Linus has made it clear that
he feels little need to change his tone on the list:
The fact is, people need to know what my position on things
are. And I can't just say "please don't do that", because people
won't listen. I say "On the internet, nobody can hear you being
subtle", and I mean it.
And I definitely am not willing to string people along,
either. I've had that happen too - not telling people clearly
enough that I don't like their approach, they go on to re-architect
something, and get really upset when I am then not willing to take
their work.
Sarah responded that one can be clear
without being abusive; she also suggested that Linus use his power directly
(by threatening not to pull patches from the offending maintainer) rather
than using strong words.
For what it's worth, Linus did acknowledge,
later in the
discussion, that one of his more famous rants was "Not my proudest
moment."
Unsurprisingly, there were few concrete outcomes from the discussion (which
is still in progress as of this writing). Sarah has called for the creation of a document (written
by "a trusted third party") describing acceptable conduct in
the kernel community. There will almost certainly be a Kernel Summit
discussion on this topic; as Linus pointed out, this kind of process-oriented
discussion is the reason why the Kernel Summit exists in the first place.
Some analysis
There are, it seems, some simple statements that should not be overly
controversial in the context of a discussion like this. Most people prefer
an environment where people are pleasant to one another to an environment
where people are harsh or abusive. An abusive community can certainly
deter some potential contributors from joining; consider, for example,
whether OpenBSD might have more developers if its communications were more
congenial. Various development communities have set out to improve the
quality of their communications, sometimes with clear success.
How do these thoughts apply in the kernel context?
It is worth pointing out that this is not the first time people have
expressed concerns about how the kernel community works; it was, for
example, a topic of discussion at the 2007
Kernel Summit. Numerous developers have pushed for improvements in how
kernel people communicate; these efforts have happened both publicly and in
private. Even Linus has said, at times, that he wished the discussion on
linux-kernel were more constructive.
Your editor will assert that, in fact, the situation has improved
considerably over the years. Much of that improvement is certainly due to
the above-mentioned efforts. Abusive personalities have been confronted,
managers have occasionally been contacted, trolls have been ignored, and
more. The improvement is also certainly a result of changes in the kernel
development community. We are as a whole older (and thus more restrained);
the community is also much more widely paid to do its work, with the result that
image-conscious companies have an incentive to step in when their
developers go overboard. The tone is far more "professional," and true
personal attacks are rare (though examples
can certainly be found if one looks).
Over the years, the kernel development community has continued to grow.
One might argue that it would have grown much more rapidly with a different
culture in its mailing lists, but that is hard to verify. It is true,
though, that much of that growth has come from parts of the world where
people are said to be especially sensitive to direct criticism. For all
its troubles, the kernel community is still sufficiently approachable that
over 3,000 people per year are able to get their work reviewed and merged.
That said, the kernel is still viewed as one of the harshest communities in
the free software world. It seems fairly clear that the tone of the
discussion could bear some improvement, and that the current state of
affairs repels some people who could otherwise be valuable contributors.
So efforts like Sarah's to make things better should be welcomed; they
deserve full consideration on the part of the community's leaders. But
this kind of effort will be working against some constraints that
make this kind of social engineering harder.
One of them is that the kernel absolutely depends on the community's
unwillingness to accept substandard code. The kernel has to work in a huge
variety of settings for an unbelievable number of use cases. It must
integrate the work of thousands of developers and grow rapidly while
staying maintainable over the long term. It is a rare software project
indeed that has attained the size of the kernel and sustained its rate of
change without collapsing under its own weight. If we want to still have a
viable kernel a decade from now, we must pay close attention to the code
that we merge now.
So it must be possible for developers to speak out against code that they
see as being unsuitable for merging into the kernel. And the sad fact is
that, sometimes, this message must be conveyed forcefully. Some developers
are either unwilling to listen or they fail to receive the full message; as
Rusty Russell put it:
You have to be harsh with code: People mistake politeness for
uncertainty. Whenever I said 'I prefer if you XYZ' some proportion
didn't realize I meant 'Don't argue unless you have new facts: do
XYZ or go away.' This wastes my time, so I started being explicit.
The size of the community, the fact that some developers are unwilling to
toss aside code they have put a lot of time into, and pressure from
employers can all lead to a refusal to hear the message and, as a
consequence, the need to be explicit. Any attempt to make it
harder for developers to express their thoughts on the code could damage
the community and, more to the point, is almost certain to fail.
That said, Rusty concluded the above message with this advice: "But
be gentle with people. You've already called their baby ugly."
There are certainly times when the community could be gentler with people
without compromising on their code. That, of course, is exactly what
people like Sarah are asking for.
Whether a documented code of conduct would push things in that direction is
hard to say, though. Simply obtaining a consensus on the contents of such
a document is likely to be a difficult process, though the discussion
itself could be helpful in its ability to produce counterexamples. But,
even if such a document were to be created, it would run a real risk of
languishing under Documentation/ unheeded. Communities that have
tried to establish codes of conduct have also typically included
enforcement mechanisms in the mix. Groups like Fedora's "hall monitors" or
Gentoo's "proctors" typically have the ability to ban users from lists and
IRC channels when abuses are seen. Mozilla's community
participation guidelines describe a number of escalation mechanisms.
It is not at all clear that the kernel
is amenable to any such enforcement mechanism, and, indeed, Sarah does not
call for one; instead, she suggests:
Some people won't agree with everything in that document. The
point is, they don't have to agree. They can read the document,
figure out what the community expects, and figure out whether they
can modify their behavior to match. If they are unwilling to
change, they simply don't have to work with the developers who have
signed it.
It is far from clear, though, that a document calling for any sort of
substantive change would acquire signatures from a critical mass of kernel
developers, or that developers who are unwilling to sign the document would
be willing (or able) to avoid dealings with those who have.
So proponents of more polite discourse on linux-kernel are almost certainly
left with tools
like calling out undesirable behavior and leading by example — precisely
the methods that have been applied thus far. Those methods have proved to
be frustratingly slow at best, but, helped by the overall changes in the
development community, they have proved effective. It was probably about
time for another campaign for more civility to push the community subtly in
the right direction. Previous efforts have managed to make things better
without wrecking the community's ability to function efficiently; indeed,
we have only gotten better at kernel development over time. With luck and
some support from the community, we should see similar results this time.
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Patches and updates
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- Sebastian Andrzej Siewior: 3.8.13-rt14 .
(July 11, 2013)
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