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Trolls writing articles?

Posted Oct 23, 2003 20:56 UTC (Thu) by ranger (guest, #6415)
Parent article: No More Free Beer?

I get the distinct feeling that recent articles by Ladislav are either maliciously discriminating against Mandrake Linux, or are simply trolling (such as ZDNet and friends do, hoping to gain readership by posting controversial articles).

I paid my membership fees to LWN to get LWN-style content, not rehashes of Distrowatch's biased (against Mandrake by the slant of most articles) opinion. If I wanted to get more of these articles, I would support Distrowatch.com, but now you're making me wonder if I should rather support a less biased news site ...

Mandrakesoft was looking to provide a service to the MandrakeClub members, as well as not shooting their boxed sales in the foot. Bittorrent is an ingenious solution to this problem (and I don't see anyone noting that ...). Sure, there have been teething problems, but over 10TB of data was served in under a week (please, go and budget for distributing that amount of data via private FTP and tell me what it comes to before you criticise them).

Also, the article states: "Of course, Linux is about choice and those unable to accept any form of commercialization or restrictions on availability from a Linux distribution can always turn to non-commercial Debian, Gentoo or any of the dozens of smaller projects for all their needs."

I have two questions on this:

1)Why is Gentoo classed as "non-commercial" when Mandrake isn't? Mandrake is just as open, and the entire distribution was released freely on the FTP mirrors at the same time the ISOs were made available to the Club members. Mandrake sells boxes and pressed CDs of their product, as does Gentoo!

Sure, there is a price difference, but the 2-CD Discovery Pack includes a printed manual for the difference, but a price difference doesn't make a competing distro "Free-beer", only "cheaper".

2)How many full-time developers does Debian fund working on KDE and GNOME and other projects (yes, funding distributions by buying product is a good way to support development!)?

Then, it seems that Ladislav is not aware that Mandrake already has a development community:

"Then there is Red Hat. Always innovative and always different from the rest, Red Hat has decided to buck the trend and turn their distribution over to the Fedora community for further development."

I find it hard to believe the "innovative" bit, since it seems more like Redhat is playing follow-the-leader. Mandrake already has heavy community involvement, with a number of packages in the main distribution being maintained by non-employee contributors. I don't see the need for LWN to do marketing spin for Redhat.

Maybe it's just me, but I haven't seen a positive article from Ladislav (except maybe the package management shoot-out which wasn't entirely fair ;-)).

BTW, I am "on a dial-up connection" (28.8k to be exact), and have club membership, but I am not "unhappy". I will get my pre-ordered CDs quite soon, but I believe that offering the ISOs to Club members (I got mine for free being a contributor) is a good idea, and adds value to the Club.

Please, give me a reason why I shouldn't rather be supporting Mandrakesoft than these trollish articles (considering LWN subscription and MandrakeClub membership fees are almost identical). Or maybe Ladislav wants to write an article on why LWN is no longer "Free-beer"? You restrict content to subscribers for a certain time, what gives you the right to criticise others who do it? Should I suggest readers should go elsewhere for their content (and not /., since they also give preferential treatment to paying customers)?


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Trolls writing articles?

Posted Oct 23, 2003 21:12 UTC (Thu) by Frej (subscriber, #4165) [Link]

I actually think that people aren't aware that mandrake gets quite a bit of help from a small community, based on the cooker tree. I only know it's there because I do the occacional patch,bug report or news post.

Maybe mandrake doesn't have the same marketing punch as redhat seems to have.

Trolls writing articles?

Posted Oct 24, 2003 0:43 UTC (Fri) by qubes (subscriber, #2562) [Link]

I think you've just read too much into the article. Yes, Mandrake is a very nice distrobution for the desktop, but then Mandrake isn't trying to sell into the server market ( their US markiting stinks...I know that they have a server install, and that every linux install can be shoe-horned into a server roll.) I guess it all boils down to what you expect for your dollar; RedHat wants the "big money", Mandrake wants large numbers of desktop users. Both get there given enough satisfied paying users.

That said, I would like to think that every _major_ release used a bittorrent type release as well. I've found, that for popular files, bittorrent works wonders. I've taken to searching for .torrent links in /. posts just to take a load off of the public ftp servers.

Thomas

Trolls writing comments?

Posted Nov 3, 2003 23:54 UTC (Mon) by TRauMa (guest, #16483) [Link]

Sorry,

but gentoo is free*, mandrake not. Gentoo releases cd-images asap to everyone free of charge, and you don't have to buy those iso's from them, just ask anyone with decent connection and cd-burner... And, you buy/dl the cd once in your lifetime and use the network update the rest of the time.
That's just facts. Where in the article does the author say: "Hey, screw mandrake?"

Your reaction to this article is somewhat strange. I don't think that you'll further the sympathy for mandrake by posting such comments. :-|

* beer

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