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Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

By Michael Kerrisk
April 10, 2013

Anthonia Ghalamkarizadeh's talk at the 2013 Free Software Legal and Licensing Workshop concerned her work fighting against infringements of Mozilla's trademarks; Anthonia is a lawyer at Hogan Lovells International LLP, a company that the Mozilla Foundation retained to act on its behalf. The talk also illustrated some of the ways in which trademarks can be valuable to a free software project.

Mozilla's trademarks and trademark policy

Even within the context of the Legal and Licensing Workshop, trademarks are not commonly discussed, so Anthonia began with an explanation of trademarks. A trademark is an identifier of origin, she said. With a well developed trademark, consumers receive a clear and consistent message about a specific product. A trademark provides protection to a brand that extends in two directions. The trademark owner benefits by being able to prevent others encroaching on its brand. Trademarks also benefit consumers by ensuring that particular brands may be used only for a very specific product; trademarks thus function to ensure that consumers get what they expect.

How does trademark protection extend into the world of open source, where the products are designed to be freely modified rather than stable? Anthonia's talk answered that question via a case study: "I will show one example of trademark enforcement where we've protected Mozilla's trademarks from a set of very bad actors indeed and protected users on a massive scale."

Mozilla owns a number of trademarks—for example, those relating to Mozilla, Firefox, and Thunderbird. While use of Mozilla source code is governed by the Mozilla Public License (MPL), the use of the trademarks is governed by the Mozilla Trademark Policy (MTP). The MTP says that the community may use the trademark to identify the "unmodified official binaries" that Mozilla distributes free of charge.

Third parties are free to modify the source code according to the terms of the MPL, but they can't use Mozilla's trademarks to designate the modified work. Third parties can also distribute Mozilla binaries for a fee, but, again, they are not allowed to use Mozilla's trademarks to designate those binaries. The latter policy was greatly expanded in 2009, adding detailed language and examples. In doing so, "we spelled out what we learned from the case I will show you now."

The bad guys: subscription traps

Starting in 2007, a number of "subscription trap" web sites flourished in the German online market. These web sites employed generic, innocuous-looking URLs and purported to provide various open source programs for free. The deception took place via landing pages that targeted popular open source programs such as Firefox. These landing pages emphasized the trademarks and the fact that the software was freeware, and de-emphasized any indication of fees required for downloading. Thus, the user was lulled into the false belief that there were no associated costs. [A
    fraudulent Firefox download landing page]

Anthonia showed an example of one such landing page for Firefox. The page resided under a domain that included the name "firefox" and the page made heavy use of the trademarked Firefox name and logo. The page contained the message "Einfach anmelden und Firefox herunterladen"—simply register and download Firefox.

A well-informed user might be aware that you do not need to register to download Firefox. However, many people are not so well-informed. Consequently, people fell into the trap, registering with their full personal details—name, address, phone number, email address, and birth date. Having registered on these sites, the users then promptly received an invoice for the (supposedly free) program that they downloaded.

Users were lured to the landing pages in a variety of ways. One avenue was the use of squatter domains with names that included Mozilla trademarks and typo domains based on the trademarks (e.g., "firefx" instead of "firefox" in the domain). The operators of the download sites employed search engine keyword advertising (such as Google's AdWords), so that when users performed web searches based on Mozilla's trademarked names, the results would include the squatter and typo domains containing the landing pages.

Another avenue by which people arrived at the landing pages was via affiliate sites. The download site operators would enter into commercial arrangements with popular web sites so that those web sites would include links recommending that the user download or upgrade (say) Firefox. Clicking those links again led to the landing pages.

When the user received an invoice, they were typically confused since there had been no clear indication of any fees during the download process. Only when going deep into the small print on the central download sites might the user find that the sites stipulated a fee for use of the download service—a fee of €190 for a two-year "subscription" was typical. In this manner, tens of thousands of users were deceived and felt they had no alternative than to pay the fees demanded, and the operators gained millions of euros.

Mozilla fights back

In many cases, Mozilla was alerted to these subscription traps by reports from users. Mozilla verified that the central download sites were unlawful and searched for the associated landing pages. As a first step, it then filed domain disputes against the infringing domain names. In Germany, domain disputes can be filed without cost and are dealt with quickly and efficiently. The disputes were all resolved in Mozilla's favor, giving them control of all of these domains.

As a second step, Mozilla might then send cease-and-desist letters, but if the timing was urgent, it would instead immediately file for a preliminary injunction. Quick action was needed because German law specifies that such injunctions must be filed within four weeks after a rights owner first notices an infringement. The timeline was made tight by the fact that Mozilla sometimes had to do difficult research to identify the fraudsters, who, for obvious reasons, did not make information that identified them easily available. Filing for preliminary injunctions in Germany is especially worthwhile because they are cost-efficient and generally granted within a few days. When this happens, the other party is not notified: it is then up to the applicant (Mozilla, in this case) to notify the respondent (the download site operator).

With the injunction in hand, Mozilla could then decide whether to send a cease-and-desist letter before serving the injunction. Of course, the fraudsters rarely responded to the letters, so Mozilla then served them with the injunctions. Because a preliminary injunction is a temporary measure, further action is required to make the injunction final and binding. In most cases this can be done by obtaining an agreement that the respondent accepts the injunction as final and binding. Many of the respondents made such an acceptance.

However, in one case, against one of the two largest criminal operations, Mozilla decided to follow up with a main action, including a claim for damages. Mozilla was fully successful in the action. The defendants have appealed, and that appeal will be heard in a few months.

In the case of the other of the largest criminal operations, the German criminal prosecutor's office brought criminal charges. These charges were the first of their kind in Germany and Mozilla joined the legal proceedings as a civil plaintiff. Such proceedings can be joined with two aims in Germany. First, it is possible to aid the criminal prosecution. In this case, the German prosecutor's office had focused on criminal fraud against consumers. To this, Mozilla added the "exotic" topic of trademark infringement, encouraging the prosecutors to add trademark infringement to the charges and providing evidence supporting that charge. (German-speaking readers can find a summary of the case in this Süddeutsche Zeitung article; others can try Google's translation of the article.)

The second reason to join a criminal prosecution is to obtain a judgment on civil claims against the defendant. In this case, Mozilla did achieve such a judgment, and the criminal prosecution resulted in all of the defendants being convicted and heavily fined or imprisoned. (German-speaking readers can find the anonymized ruling on openJur.)

Why fight?

In explaining why Mozilla fought back against the fraudsters, Anthonia returned to the two protections offered by trademarks: protecting the reputation and values of the trademark owner and protecting users from confusion and fraud by conveying a clear message about a product's origins.

In order to protect its trademarks, Mozilla must ensure that those trademarks are only ever used for the software that is produced by the Mozilla community and distributed without charge. When trademarks are used to distribute software in violation of those standards, there is a risk that users will be disappointed, and the value of the trademarks will be diluted. Anthonia cited the following text from the Mozilla Trademark Policy:

If you are using the Mozilla Mark(s) for the unaltered binaries you are distributing, you may not charge for that product. By not charging, we mean the Mozilla product must be without cost and its distribution (whether by download or other media) may not be subject to a fee, or tied to subscribing to or purchasing a service, or the collection of personal information. If you want to sell the product, you may do so, but you must call that product by another name—one unrelated to Mozilla or any of the Mozilla Marks. Remember that we do not want the public to be confused.

Anthonia noted a number of lessons that had been learned from these court cases. First of all, software projects need to have coherent trademark and enforcement strategies and follow up on enforcement. Mozilla carefully looks at infringements. For honest mistakes, Mozilla sends a nicely worded letter that refers to the trademark policy. In cases where trade abuse is clearly intentional, it follows up with strong enforcement.

The second lesson is that strong safeguarding of trademarks is not a contradiction with free availability of source code. To emphasize that trademark policy and source code licensing are separate things, Mozilla separates the license and the trademark policy into two documents, the MPL and the MTP. This makes it clear to users and developers that the freedom of code is a separate thing from the use of the trademarks; for this reason, the MTP has very detailed examples explaining what is and is not acceptable use of the trademarks.

The third lesson is that timing and consistency of enforcement is important. If the trademark owner waits too long, or lets too many instances of abuse pass unnoticed, then the value of the trademark is diluted.

In response to questions at the end of the talk, Anthonia touched on a couple of other topics. Some web sites offer download services where free software is provided via "download wrappers". As we described in an earlier article, the user is asked to download an installer that installs not only the free software, but also a browser toolbar, malware, or adware. Asked whether Mozilla was doing anything about such practices, Anthonia noted that, where those services are using the Mozilla trademarks, they are being pursued. Another question concerned whether Mozilla had approached the search engine companies to prevent its trademarks being used by third parties in fraudulent search engine keyword advertisements. Anthonia responded that Mozilla had done this.

As noted in Stefano Zacchiroli's keynote speech at the same conference, there is much skepticism of trademarks in the free software community, although their value is coming to be appreciated. The story that Anthonia presented provides one clear example of the value of trademarks for a free software project and illustrates some practices—for example, providing detailed trademark policies and ensuring that third parties cannot use trademarks in search engine advertisements—that other free software projects might be wise to follow.


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Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 11, 2013 2:28 UTC (Thu) by jmorris42 (subscriber, #2203) [Link]

I perfectly see how useful trademark enforcement is to protecting both Mozilla and the public at large from scammers.

But as currently written, requiring binaries built by Moz Corp or a designated entity, Firefox is not Free Software. Debian figured that out, still waiting for Fedora.

On the one hard Fedora is so overly RMS Pure they won't allow firmware and video drivers (that are pretty much required to use the desktops they ship), don't even want people mentioning where the non-free repo is even located... yet they won't bite the bullet and change over to IceWeasel.

For a while I believed Moz could fix it with a clause to grant permission to rebuild it as part of a complete OS. After all, if you are worried about what the people who built your OS did to your browser you have kinda missed the point. But if it is going to be Free Software it can't really depend on that linkage.

I use the builds of Firefox from the remi repo for CentOS. I'd bet money there ain't a formal agreement with Moz Corp covering that arrangement. So that is a technical violation and one my original idea wouldn't have covered.

There really needs to be some more thought given to the mixing of trademarks with Free Software before the practice becomes more widespread. It might indeed be a requirement for packages that predominate as Windows software like Firefox and Open|LibreOffice.org. Hard pressed to see what Samba, Apache, Squid, Perl, etc. would gain from it.

Should be possible to get the best of both worlds somehow, much like CopyLeft leveraged copyright law to protect Free Software. Just ain't seeing how that works though, hope somebody has an 'ah ha!' moment.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 11, 2013 2:33 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

Your claims about Fedora is wrong. Fedora includes firmware as long as they are redistributable and videos drivers can be included if they are free and open source. Non-free repos can be talked about officially guiding people to use patent encumbered codecs for instance induces legal liability and is not just about free software philosophy.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 11, 2013 3:39 UTC (Thu) by jmorris42 (subscriber, #2203) [Link]

None of that changes the reality that Debian users just check the box for non-free and get working video. Discussion of rpmfusion on the Fedora mailing lists is heavily discouraged and must not be mentioned on any of the Fedora sponsored web properties. Which one is easier for a new user to get up and running? Same goes for other simple things like broadcom wireless.

Hopefully Nvidia is starting to see reason (and a working free replacement getting close to working) and the whole video driver problem goes the way of the fights over the Qt license of yesteryear. Nvidia folds the rest of the holdouts probably will as well.

And I did notice the careful avoidance of the main topic, Firefox.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 11, 2013 3:46 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

Again, your claims are wrong. Fedora users frequently discuss non-free software etc in Fedora lists as well as http://ask.fedoraproject.org. Also the Fedora installer allows one to connect to any third party repo of their choice. Kickstart allows the same thing and it is trivial to do so. Fedora doesn't do so directly to avoid legal liability as I already indicated. Debian doesn't have millions of dollars to lose and doesn't have to worry about a patent lawsuit much.

Firefox and trademarks have been discussed in length and I have not much to add to that topic. Fedora (and FSF) continues to consider Firefox as free software. The requirement to rename if you do unauthorized modifications is hardly unique to Firefox.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 12, 2013 13:49 UTC (Fri) by njwhite (subscriber, #51848) [Link]

> None of that changes the reality that Debian users just check the box for non-free and get working video.

I use debian stable with only the default (e.g. free) repositories, and have yet to encounter a video I couldn't play. Don't forget that potentially patent infringing software is quite different from proprietary software. Debian seem to be happy counting the former as free, sensibly. A company based in the USA may not find doing that so easy.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 11, 2013 3:45 UTC (Thu) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239) [Link]

>Firefox is not Free Software

"The license may require derived works to carry a different name" - DFSG 4.

>Fedora is so overly RMS Pure they won't allow firmware

No, Fedora ship freely-distributable firmware even if there's no modification permitted.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 11, 2013 7:31 UTC (Thu) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

Note that DFSG4 allows this not for Firefox, but for LaTeX which said clearly and simply: You rename the file before you make any changes to it, unless the file explicitly says that renaming is not required. Any such changed files must be distributed under a license that forbids distribution of those files, and any files derived from them, under the names used by the original files in the distribution of The Program.

Sure that's not trademark per see, but it's more-or-less the same restriction. Today rules are more convoluted, but they are the same conceptually.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 11, 2013 12:21 UTC (Thu) by ewan (subscriber, #5533) [Link]

"The license may require derived works to carry a different name" - DFSG 4

"The license of a Debian component may not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software" - DFSG 1

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 11, 2013 14:16 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

Mozilla does not that restrict it at all.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 12, 2013 10:00 UTC (Fri) by ewan (subscriber, #5533) [Link]

Yes, they do:

"If you are using the Mozilla Mark(s) for the unaltered binaries you are distributing, you may not charge for that product"

If you can't charge, you're restricted from selling it. I'm not sure how that could be any clearer.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 14, 2013 13:10 UTC (Sun) by andreasb (subscriber, #80258) [Link]

And yet Debian CDs can be sold and do include Firefox – only rebranded as Iceweasel. Different name, same code.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 16, 2013 21:21 UTC (Tue) by jmorris42 (subscriber, #2203) [Link]

Please keep up. The restriction is on Moz Corp (or licensee, such as Fedora Project) created binaries. And by direct legal chain, anything bearing the Firefox branding since only Moz Corp or someone with an explicit, as in a signed contract, may create and/or redistribute binaries bearing the Firefox branding. What part of that is still "Free Software" or "Open Source"?

Debian, by dropping the legally encumbered name "Firefox" remains 100% Free Software. Fedora, by signing the Trademark License agreement and distributing the encumbered Firefox branding is, by no widely accepted definition of the phrase, Free or Open. It is a clear legal violation to sell a Fedora CD since it includes Firefox. And should someone sell a Fedora CD in a sleeve mentioning it includes Firefox it would be all but impossible to argue against both financial & legal liability.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 16, 2013 21:25 UTC (Tue) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]

>What part of that is still "Free Software" or "Open Source"?
Both. Firefox doesn't deny any of the software freedoms, so it's OpenSource.

Trademarks are simply outside of the scope.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted May 1, 2013 19:32 UTC (Wed) by jmorris42 (subscriber, #2203) [Link]

So you admit it is illegal to reproduce and sell a Fedora CD with a shrug and a "problem is out of scope" non-answer.

So what was the point of Free Software again, maybe I missed it.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted May 1, 2013 20:15 UTC (Wed) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

People have been distributing Fedora media just fine. Fedora legal team which includes real lawyers have reviewed the trademark license and don't agree with your claims fyi.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 11, 2013 3:00 UTC (Thu) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link]

Outstanding article. And contrary to the comment above, firefox as distributed by Fedora is free software. The same restrictions apply as to Firefox from Mozilla. If you want to make changes, get the source RPM, do what you like, but call it something else. The only reason to go iceweasel is if you want to make changes as a distributor that Mozilla doesn't approve of.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 11, 2013 8:52 UTC (Thu) by wookey (subscriber, #5501) [Link]

The problem being that 'modifications mozilla doesn't approve of' includes backported security fixes. This was always the sticking point.

How does fedora deal with this restriction? Just by following upstream's model of only shipping newer versions and never attempting to backport any fixes (that are not also done upstream)?

It does seem unfortunate that 'firefox, plus some fixes from later versions of firefox', is deemed 'not firefox' according to the trademark policy. I don't think anyone is very happy about this state of affairs, but I understand a great deal of discussion went on and Debian was not able to persuade Mozilla to amend the terms to allow this. I am not familiar with the details of why no agreement could be reached.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 11, 2013 9:03 UTC (Thu) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link]

How does fedora deal with this restriction? Just by following upstream's model of only shipping newer versions and never attempting to backport any fixes (that are not also done upstream)?

Very likely. That is what Ubuntu does.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 11, 2013 9:31 UTC (Thu) by ibukanov (subscriber, #3942) [Link]

Mozilla requires that *any* changes to Firefox must be approved. IIRC there were talks about allowing small changes like security fixes. Unfortunately due to the current situation with trademark law enforcement it is just impossible to define in legal terms "security backports" without a possibility of significantly weakening trademark protection in cases like the article describes. Mozilla decided to play safe.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 11, 2013 10:27 UTC (Thu) by sorpigal (subscriber, #36106) [Link]

IIRC Mozilla was okay with backports and other changes, but wanted a sign-off for them before they were distributed as "Firefox" so they could be considered approved by Mozilla; from their perspective that's bending over as far as they can to be accommodating. Debian didn't want to hand power over the timetable for deploying security fixes to anyone, because delays are bad. There wasn't a compelling enough argument that the name was more important.

No one on either side is being unreasonable, it's just incompatible needs.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 11, 2013 12:14 UTC (Thu) by paravoid (subscriber, #32869) [Link]

What if I take a Fedora DVD and sell it? (it was common for e.g. Debian CDs to be sold in the past, mostly before broadband was widespread; the Debian website even had links to such sellers). Wouldn't that infrige the MTP for the reasons explain in the article?

I also have trouble understanding how RPMs, both for Firefox itself and e.g. packaged extensions, fits the "you may not disable, modify or otherwise interfere with any installation mechanism contained in a Mozilla product" and associated restrictions. Maybe Fedora has written permission for this?

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 11, 2013 12:50 UTC (Thu) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link]

Regarding RPMs and DEBs, yes, presumably Fedora and Ubuntu have permission to build and distribute binary packages from unmodified source.

Regarding distribution on a Fedora CD, (IANAL and this is as I understand it) there is no trademark issue since Fedora has permission to distribute it, and there is no licensing issue since the MPL permits distribution. I assume you are referring to the paragraph where they say you cannot sell a product called Mozilla (or one of its associated trademarks). But the product is not called Mozilla, it is called Fedora. Selling a CD called "Fedora Firefox Remix" may get you into trouble even if it's unmodified Firefox. Incidentally, Red Hat too are careful about protecting their own trademarks, so I assume they're being careful to protect Mozilla's.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Jun 1, 2013 12:58 UTC (Sat) by keeperofdakeys (subscriber, #82635) [Link]

The actual policy states you may distribute builds with mozilla branding without permission, if built from unmodified source.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 12, 2013 0:19 UTC (Fri) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link]

It's interesting that the Firefox trademark apparently covers not only the Firefox program, but the entire experience of acquiring it. In Germany at least.

I wonder if that applies to more tangible things. If I offer you a can of Coke for $5 and a copy of your passport, do I need Coca Cola Corp's permission to call it a Coke?

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 12, 2013 0:34 UTC (Fri) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]

> I wonder if that applies to more tangible things. If I offer you a can of Coke for $5 and a copy of your passport, do I need Coca Cola Corp's permission to call it a Coke?
Definitely, yes.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 12, 2013 0:47 UTC (Fri) by jimparis (subscriber, #38647) [Link]

> > If I offer you a can of Coke for $5 and a copy of your passport, do I need Coca Cola Corp's permission to call it a Coke?
> Definitely, yes.

Why are you so sure? The first sale doctrine is pretty clear:
https://www.google.com/search?q=first+sale+doctrine+trade...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine#Applicat...
http://www.iusmentis.com/trademarks/crashcourse/limitations/

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 12, 2013 1:02 UTC (Fri) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]

You can sell whatever you want. No problem.

But you can NOT sell just anything while calling it "Coke". For example, I can't just take a 1981 Chevy Vega, put an "Infiniti" sales brochure into its glovebox and advertise the result as "Infiniti".

However, selling the combination under a name "Chevy Vega with an Infiniti sales brochure" will be totally acceptable.

It's a bit complicated, but generally if you are selling something trademarked then you need a license from the trademark owner.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 12, 2013 1:54 UTC (Fri) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link]

But you can NOT sell just anything while calling it "Coke". For example, I can't just take a 1981 Chevy Vega, put an "Infiniti" sales brochure into its glovebox and advertise the result as "Infiniti".

In case it wasn't clear in my question, it actually is a Coke I'm selling. It came from Coca Cola Corp, which adorned it with the Coke logo, through a series of resellers to me, and hasn't been altered in any way.

But that could be said of the Firefox program too, which is why I wonder how far the Mozilla results in Germany go.

Does a Coke stop being a Coke if you don't sell it the right way? Or does the fact that it is a Coke just have to be kept secret?

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 12, 2013 1:57 UTC (Fri) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]

> In case it wasn't clear in my question, it actually is a Coke I'm selling. It came from Coca Cola Corp, which adorned it with the Coke logo, through a series of resellers to me, and hasn't been altered in any way.
It is. You are selling some additional stuff with it - that's a modification.

> Does a Coke stop being a Coke if you don't sell it the right way?
Nope.

> Or does the fact that it is a Coke just have to be kept secret?
You don't need to keep it secret, you simply must label it in a way that it can't be confused with a regular Coke by an average customer.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 12, 2013 3:51 UTC (Fri) by jimparis (subscriber, #38647) [Link]

> > In case it wasn't clear in my question, it actually is a Coke I'm selling. It came from Coca Cola Corp, which adorned it with the Coke logo, through a series of resellers to me, and hasn't been altered in any way.
> It is. You are selling some additional stuff with it - that's a modification.

What additional stuff? He is selling a coke. The price is ($5 and a passport). I don't know what you're reading in his comment, but I don't see it.

Anyway, back on topic, Mozilla's trademark licence really seems to contradict the first sale doctrine. One of the points of that doctrine is that reselling an unmodified item is not trademark infringement. Then again, trying to apply the first sale doctrine to collections of bits has always been debated.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 12, 2013 4:15 UTC (Fri) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]

I think you are right, and I would love to see Mozilla loose on this issue (not because I have anything against Mozilla, but because of the good things that this precedent would set for other digital works)

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 12, 2013 17:28 UTC (Fri) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]

> Anyway, back on topic, Mozilla's trademark licence really seems to contradict the first sale doctrine. One of the points of that doctrine is that reselling an unmodified item is not trademark infringement. Then again, trying to apply the first sale doctrine to collections of bits has always been debated.

The whole thing with Mozilla's trademarks though is not people re-distributing unmodified items, that wouldn't run afoul of their requirements, it's people distributing modified versions that Mozilla isn't given approval authority for, can't use their trademarks, which seems entirely reasonable.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 12, 2013 17:34 UTC (Fri) by jimparis (subscriber, #38647) [Link]

> The whole thing with Mozilla's trademarks though is not people re-distributing unmodified items, that wouldn't run afoul of their requirements

Yes it would! Their requirements specifically state:

> If you are using the Mozilla Mark(s) for the unaltered binaries you are distributing, you may not charge for that product.

Selling unaltered items under their original trademark name is exactly what the first sale doctrine covers.

> it's people distributing modified versions that Mozilla isn't given approval authority for, can't use their trademarks, which seems entirely reasonable.

Agreed, that part is reasonable. But the restrictions against selling unmodified versions is not.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 12, 2013 17:55 UTC (Fri) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link]

To keep the proper legal perspective on this (because otherwise I know people get the wrong idea of a how a license works): Mozilla's requirements are irrelevant. It's the requirements of German trademark law that appear to be in question.

According to the case reported in the talk, as reported in this LWN article, German trademark law required the company that offered Firefox downloads to have Mozilla's permission to put the word "Firefox" and the Firefox logo on its download web site the way it did. This surprises some of us because it looks inconsistent with the First Sale doctrine.

But once you accept that, Mozilla can be as stingy as it wants giving out that permission, giving it only to people who give the browser away for free, wash their hair regularly, or whatever.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 13, 2013 13:26 UTC (Sat) by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167) [Link]

IANAL but I don't see a First Sale problem here. First Sale says that you can't sell something and then retain control over it via e.g. licensing. But Mozilla uses trademark law here, not a software license. First Sale doesn't give you any trademark rights because you don't need them for your lawful use/ resale of the product. It is a common misconception that you need a trademark license/ OK from the trademark owner to use the trademark name to describe a trademarked product, this not so.

Everyone can call actual cans of Coca-Cola, Coca-Cola, and the Coca-Cola corporation doesn't get a veto. You do NOT get to put a Coca-Cola logo on your store, or call it the "Discount Coca-Cola store" or suchlike, but you can show the cans and label them with their accurate description e.g. "330ml Coca-cola $1" and the trademark owner has no comeback on that.

These sites weren't just regular web sites that happened to have Firefox links, they were set up using Mozilla's Firefox trademark to sell a service which was in fact a scam. That's classic trademark infringement, I'm not surprised it was trivially easy to get injunctions and other court orders, nor that a criminal prosecution was successful, it's probably the most straight forward case that judge had seen all week.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 13, 2013 16:15 UTC (Sat) by jake (editor, #205) [Link]

> It is a common misconception that you need a trademark license/ OK
> from the trademark owner to use the trademark name to describe
> a trademarked product, this not so.

I think the issue being discussed here is "nominative use": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_use ... one can call a Coke, a Coke, or Firefox, Firefox, without the trademark holder having a veto.

jake

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 13, 2013 18:51 UTC (Sat) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link]

First Sale doesn't give you any trademark rights because you don't need them for your lawful use/ resale of the product

I think you're just stating the First Sale Doctrine with respect to trademarks. The copyright version of the doctrine can be described the same way: it doesn't give you rights to copy because you aren't copying anything. In either case, First Sale isn't an exception to the rule (like e.g. copyright's Fair Use) -- it's just a clarification of it.

You do NOT get to put a Coca-Cola logo on your store ...

So you think that's what the scammer was doing here? Calling his web site Firefox? I just saw the screenshot in the article, and while I'm not saying that's not the case, it wasn't terribly obvious. I saw the name "firefox" in the URL, but not the domain name part, and I saw the Firefox logo next to a description of/link for the Firefox browser program.

I wonder if the judge considers Firefox to be more than a program. Maybe Mozilla convinced him it is a service for adding web surfing capabilities to your computer, so that a download link put up by Mozilla is Firefox, but one put up by me is not (unless, of course, I get Mozilla to say it is).

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 13, 2013 23:22 UTC (Sat) by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167) [Link]

"I wonder if the judge considers Firefox to be more than a program"

I'm sure the judge considers Firefox to be a trademark, since that's what it is. You don't get to use other people's trademarks to make your scam work. That's where the clever "grey area" of this scam turned into straight forward criminality.

Ask yourself: why did these users fill out all their billing details on the page presented? Was it because they thought it'd be cool to get billed for a lot of money by some company they'd never heard of? That doesn't seem likely does it. Well, what's on the page that makes them think providing their details is OK? There's the name Firefox in big letters. The users believed they were telling Mozilla (the people behind the Firefox brand) this information for some purpose. Free trial software often does this, Firefox isn't a free trial, but I bet my grandmother doesn't understand the difference. Using somebody else's brand to trick people in this way is illegal.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 13, 2013 23:59 UTC (Sat) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link]

"I wonder if the judge considers Firefox to be more than a program"
I'm sure the judge considers Firefox to be a trademark

I meant I wonder if the judge considers Firefox to be a trademark for more than a program.

I'll bet it's not trademark infringement to refer to a can of Coke as a Coke in a fraud scheme. Like you offer to sell someone a can of Coke with the intention of taking his money and not delivering the can. Or, like in the Firefox case, you deliver the can, but trick people into paying a delivery charge they never wanted to pay.

So I'm not convinced that "you don't get to use other people's trademarks to make your scam work."

That's where the clever "grey area" of this scam turned into straight forward criminality.

From what I could tell, it was criminal even without any trademark issue. I really don't think there's a connection between the wrongness of what these guys were doing and whether they needed to get Mozilla's permission to use the Firefox name and logo. If they needed permission to use them in scam, they needed it to use them in a legitimate business transaction, and vice versa.

Well, what's on the page that makes them think providing their details is OK? There's the name Firefox in big letters. The users believed they were telling Mozilla (the people behind the Firefox brand) this information for some purpose.

That could be. I know it wouldn't work on me, because I understand the concept of retail, but it could be that some people thought they were getting a Firefox-brand download and that the judge considered Firefox to be a trademark that covers download services as well as a program.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 16, 2013 15:06 UTC (Tue) by lgugelmann (subscriber, #89299) [Link]

Consider this take on the ever-popular spam topic of the "Coca-Cola annual contest winner":

You set up a website with a prominent Coca-Cola logo and the text "Welcome to the Coca-Cola something-or-other contest, enter your data to participate in our daily sweepstakes in which you can win free cans of Coca-Cola."

and somewhere in small print: "By participating you also sign up for a 2 year, non-refundable, do-nothing Coca-Cola sweepstakes service, for 4$/month."

The use of the Coca-Cola logo and you claiming some association with the Coca-Cola company (beyond just having Coke as a prize) puts you beyond the pale in terms of trademark law. This is something the Coca-Cola company would probably try to nail you for.

What Mozilla is saying is that these guys did the same with the Firefox trademark, and the judge agreed. In other words they went way beyond just providing a download link labeled "Firefox" and a Firefox-logo next to it.

The part with the subscription is, btw, not what Mozilla is objecting to. That part is what brought the public prosecutor in. There the argument is that you are selling a no-value service in bad faith, i.e. scamming people.

If you had called your website "the Cola-based-soda contest", without using Coca-Cola's logo, and offering as prize a basked with a can of Coca-Cola, one of Pepsi-Cola and some other similar beverages, you would probably be fine. (I'm using a basket of several brands to make it as clear as possible that the Cola in Cola-based-soda refers to the generic drink and not the Cola part of Coca-Cola.)

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 16, 2013 21:37 UTC (Tue) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link]

If you had called your website "the Cola-based-soda contest", without using Coca-Cola's logo, and offering as prize a basked with a can of Coca-Cola, one of Pepsi-Cola and some other similar beverages, you would probably be fine.

The public prosecutor would still be less than enthusiastic about the fact that you were trying to trick people into a no-value subscription contract when they thought they were only taking part in a one-off contest. It turns out that informing your customers about this in 2pt light-grey-on-white type at the very bottom of a long and garish web page does not count as adequate notice in this case – at least here in Germany, where the issue ended up in court.

We now have laws that require subscription sellers to provide confirmation in writing (i.e., a letter on paper clearly stating all the costs involved) and allow people to cancel such contracts without penalty for some time after receiving such a letter, and basically indefinitely if they don't get one at all.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 16, 2013 22:08 UTC (Tue) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link]

If you had called your website "the Cola-based-soda contest", without using Coca-Cola's logo, and offering as prize a basked with a can of Coca-Cola, one of Pepsi-Cola and some other similar beverages, you would probably be fine.
The public prosecutor would still be less than enthusiastic ...

That's true, but in this thread we're talking about the trademark issues, so "you would probably be fine" means you wouldn't owe Coca Cola Corp. anything.

The public prosecutor would probably be just as concerned if you had Coca Cola Corp's permission to run your scam.

(And your need for that permission is, I maintain, orthogonal to whether you're cheating people).

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 12, 2013 3:13 UTC (Fri) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]

> Does a Coke stop being a Coke if you don't sell it the right way? Or does the fact that it is a Coke just have to be kept secret?

No, but if you changed the formula, by mixing Tobasco with it and re-packaging it for example, then I think Coca-Cola Corp. would have a problem with you.

Mozilla's trademark enforcement experience

Posted Apr 12, 2013 9:26 UTC (Fri) by BlueLightning (subscriber, #38978) [Link]

> if you changed the formula, by mixing Tobasco with it and re-packaging it for example

This new "Hot Coke" sounds awesome. Where can I buy some?

The German court stated that the MPL is 'barely intelligible'.

Posted Apr 19, 2013 1:52 UTC (Fri) by clemenstimpler (guest, #71914) [Link]

Being German, I've read the linked court opinion. It states in German:

"So heißt es unter Ziffer 2.1. der zur Tatzeit gültigen – allerdings teilweise kaum verständlichen – Lizenzbedingungen von M („M P License Version 1.1“):"

Free translation: "Section 2.1 of the license of M (M P License Version 1.1) - a license that is in parts barely comprehensible - was valid when the crimes were committed. The section states:"

Is there any comment by the Mozilla Foundation on the fact that a German court believes their license to be 'barely comprehensible'?

The German court stated that the MPL is 'barely intelligible'.

Posted Apr 27, 2013 8:17 UTC (Sat) by Duncan (guest, #6647) [Link]

Presumably, that's one of the reasons they've clarified the trademark policy now, adding examples, etc. They got told by a judge it was barely comprehensible (tho they still won that case)... and changed it to be more comprehensible. =:^)

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