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Mobile plans?Mobile plans?Posted Mar 28, 2013 11:21 UTC (Thu) by ibukanov (subscriber, #3942)In reply to: Mobile plans? by rsidd Parent article: GNOME 3.8 released
> The thing is, *most* people also want something familiar
When Windows 95 appeared nobody among people I new complained about the switch from the Program Manager GUI of Windows 3.1 to the task bar at the bottom with a start button. The new interface was faster and easier to use in almost all tasks and time to to adjust to it was non-existent.
So a new interface can be very unfamiliar, but as long as it is perceived as a clear win, people would rarely complain. The trouble with Gnome Shell and Windows 8 is that the new GUI was a regression for many tasks and work flows.
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Mobile plans? Posted Mar 28, 2013 12:09 UTC (Thu) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950) [Link]
Counter argument is also easy to make: Microsoft Office 2007+ ribbon interface. Loads and loads of complains, but love at the same time.
Mobile plans? Posted Mar 28, 2013 17:05 UTC (Thu) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]
Office 2007 caused lots of regressions in the UI workflow of lots of people. Arguably, it caused these regressions for good reasons but still.
Win95 did not cause any significant regressions so people were OK with it.
Mobile plans? Posted Mar 28, 2013 21:42 UTC (Thu) by tjc (subscriber, #137) [Link]
> Win95 did not cause any significant regressions so people were OK with it.
The only one that I recall was putting the 'close window' icon on the far right side of the title bar. I inadvertently closed a lot of windows before I got used to that. Eventually it seemed natural.
On the other hand, I have never gotten used to Apple's document-centric user interface, despite having used OS X at work for years now. So it seems that not all user interface indiscretions are healed by time.
Mobile plans? Posted Mar 28, 2013 21:45 UTC (Thu) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]
They've left the windows menu on the left side of the titlebar, though. So it's not a regression per se, but a somewhat confusing new functionality.
Mobile plans? Posted Mar 28, 2013 12:29 UTC (Thu) by boudewijn (subscriber, #14185) [Link]
"nobody among people I new complained about the switch from the Program Manager GUI of Windows 3.1 to the task bar at the bottom with a start button."
While, on the other hand, everyone I knew complained about it, and ridiculed the start button -- "only with Microsoft, I have to click Start to stop" was my dad's comment at the time.
Mobile plans? Posted Mar 28, 2013 12:46 UTC (Thu) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link] Yes, I remember that exact complaint about "Start to shut down" too :)
Mobile plans? Posted Mar 28, 2013 13:04 UTC (Thu) by ibukanov (subscriber, #3942) [Link]
Surely there were complains, but I do not remember a valid GUI regression cases when a new way to perform frequently used task was slower. Re-learning was quick as there was a clear point of doing that. This is just not the case with Gnome Shell-type GUI. There some tasks are faster, but there are way too many regression cases compared with a task bar.
Mobile plans? Posted Mar 29, 2013 22:45 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
Why on earth would I want a task bar when I can just arrow to the application window I want to use?
If you really want to have a task bar in Gnome shell then just get one. The whole operation takes a total of about 15 seconds to accomplish.
Mobile plans? Posted Mar 31, 2013 14:32 UTC (Sun) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link]
Because a task bar doesn't require you to execute an extra action, then try to find a tiny preview window out of a blurp of always-moving-around windows? Because it is always there so you know stuff is available instead of making you hunt for windows? I've had the option to slam my mouse to the top-left of my screen for 5 years and while it looks fancy and I tried using it, it never stuck. Simply because it is an inferior solution. Maybe it works for some people, but most certainly not for everyone. This has nothing to do with GNOME shell or any kind of hate - it's just a practical fact. If this would be a good solution, I'd be using it already for a long, long time.
Note that showing window previews on alt-TAB with a similar layout DOES work for me, but this isn't available in Shell :(
BTW the extension offering a taskbar is a crappy one - no drag and drop of tasks to virtual desktops, no switching between applications through scrolling... That extension is no replacement (and typical for the state of most extensions in my experience). It's why I removed GNOME Shell 3.6 again from my laptop - it's not there yet. Let's see if 3.8 will do any better - but I won't be trying it for a while.
Mobile plans? Posted Mar 28, 2013 13:16 UTC (Thu) by Company (guest, #57006) [Link]
Hey, the winners write history. And Windows won, so obviously nobody ever complained it. Just like nobody ever complained about how awesome GNOME 2, KDE 2, KDE 3 or KDE 4 were when they were introduced. And in the future, when GNOME 4 comes around, nobody will have ever complained about GNOME 3 either.
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