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Was firing an over-reaction?Was firing an over-reaction?Posted Mar 22, 2013 23:52 UTC (Fri) by dwmw2 (subscriber, #2063)In reply to: Was firing an over-reaction? by bkuhn Parent article: Blum: Adria Richards, PyCon, and How We All Lost
"Unchecked and arbitrary power of managers to fire people at will for anything at their own whims is not a good thing generally for society, IMO."One of the reasons I would never want to work for a US company under US law.
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Was firing an over-reaction? Posted Mar 23, 2013 0:03 UTC (Sat) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
frankly, if a manager really wants to get rid of you, they can find some reason to do so (or make it so that you really don't want to work for them any longer)
While it's trivial to fire people in theory, in practice most companies don't give lower level managers the power to fire people, and HR orgs are cautious enough (fearing wrongful termination lawsuits) that it's actually pretty hard to fire people.
Constructive dismissal Posted Mar 23, 2013 11:15 UTC (Sat) by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167) [Link]
"make it so that you really don't want to work for them any longer"
Constructive dismissal is likewise illegal where I am. It's not common, but it happens often enough that most people will have heard of someone. The employee is entitled to cease work immediately AND receive compensation at tribunal for being illegally terminated. Media reporting of these incidents is usually hugely negative, enough to make avoiding them a priority if your company's reputation is of any importance.
Obviously if both the employer and employee are no longer happy it will usually be possible to agree some mutually acceptable way to end the relationship, and the courts won't interfere with that.
Was firing an over-reaction? Posted Mar 24, 2013 16:53 UTC (Sun) by marcH (subscriber, #57642) [Link]
> while it's trivial to fire people in theory, in practice...
I think it's an important point.
I've worked in countries/companies with very different Labour Laws and found that the difference between theory (= law) and practice can be huge. The culture also comes into play: in some places you are safer even when the law is less protective.
That's for firing ONE person though. When trying to lay off MANY people in tough economic times then Labour Laws do matter (for good or bad - not my point here).
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