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This is *not* (only) about prettynessThis is *not* (only) about prettynessPosted Mar 17, 2013 0:54 UTC (Sun) by duffy (guest, #31787)In reply to: This is *not* (only) about prettyness by tpo Parent article: Duffy: Improving the Fedora boot experience
"What's exactly the point of that reply? Is its purpose maybe to "win" the argument?"
No, I'm sorry that the project isn't going the direction you would have liked. It's disappointing and frustrating when you follow a project for a while and then it veers away from what you liked about it. That doesn't mean the project is doing anything wrong, just that for you personally it's not working out anymore. I'm sorry.
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This is *not* (only) about prettyness Posted Mar 17, 2013 11:34 UTC (Sun) by tpo (subscriber, #25713) [Link]
>> What's exactly the point of that reply? Is its purpose maybe to
>> "win" the argument? > > No, I'm sorry that the project isn't going the direction you would have > liked. It's disappointing and frustrating when you follow a project for a > while and then it veers away from what you liked about it. That doesn't > mean the project is doing anything wrong, just that for you personally > it's not working out anymore. I'm sorry.
Your reply answers the second question ("Is its purpose maybe to 'win' the argument?"), not however as far as I understand the first one.
I am assuming that designing an OS is foremost /not/ a question of personal likes or playing the psychosocial instruments of the community to advance one's agenda, ego or ideas.
Certainly, us all being human (apart from the dogs collaborating incognito on various projects), tastes and social mechanisms also need to be considered ("I'm sorry"), but they should be secondary and only means to the end of creating a system that is technically and objectively as good as possible [1][2].
That's my assumption of what Gnome and most fundamental and large open source projects are about.
So under the stated assumption, answering "No, I'm sorry that the project isn't going the direction you would have liked" to a person that is trying to point out in detail what's wrong from a technical and usecase standpoint about the direction that some software solution is taking does not make any sense to me.
It's like saying "No, I'm sorry that the project isn't going the direction you would have liked" to a colorblind person that is trying to explain, why choosing a red on green font is not a good choice for his use case.
Is my limited understanding preventing me to comprehend it all?
[1] Also, as shown by many benevolent dictators "taste" can be an effective mechanism of choice in the face of "unresolvable complexity".
This is *not* (only) about prettyness Posted Mar 17, 2013 17:33 UTC (Sun) by jwakely (subscriber, #60262) [Link]
> It's like saying "No, I'm sorry that the project isn't going the direction you would have liked" to a colorblind person that is trying to explain, why choosing a red on green font is not a good choice for his use case.
Oh come off it!
Look at the post again: http://lwn.net/Articles/542734/
It was in response to "I am not very happy to see Fedora going this way."
"I'm sorry the project isn't going the way you like" is a perfectly valid response to "The project isn't going the way I like". What other response do you expect? "Oh, OK, we'll change the project's direction to please one commenter on LWN?" Maybe the direction *should* change, but presumably it's been decided by Fedora contributors on Fedora lists for various good and bad reasons, changing it based on one commenter on a non-Fedora site, no matter how well reasoned the points, would be a strange way to run the project.
This is *not* (only) about prettyness Posted Mar 17, 2013 20:10 UTC (Sun) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129) [Link]
> Maybe the direction *should* change, but presumably it's been decided by Fedora contributors on Fedora lists for various good and bad reasons, changing it based on one commenter on a non-Fedora site, no matter how well reasoned the points, would be a strange way to run the project.
Oh, so nowadays it doesn't matter whether a point makes sense but where and by whom the point was made? I'd call *that* a strange way to run a project.
This is *not* (only) about prettyness Posted Mar 17, 2013 21:16 UTC (Sun) by jwakely (subscriber, #60262) [Link]
No. I didn't say it doesn't matter. I implied one person's opinion generally matters less than the combined opinions of all the other users and contributors who've participated in the project and the discussions that have already taken place. If that one person changes the rest of the project's opinion by well-reasoned arguments then by all means change the direction, but don't do it just because one person makes some good points somewhere on the web, which most of the contributors haven't read.
This is *not* (only) about prettyness Posted Mar 18, 2013 10:04 UTC (Mon) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] "Oh, OK, we'll change the project's direction to please one commenter on LWN?"But of course! But only if the commenter is me. Have a sense of proportion here!
This is *not* (only) about prettyness Posted Mar 18, 2013 17:42 UTC (Mon) by jwakely (subscriber, #60262) [Link]
Yes, obviously, I assumed that went without saying!
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