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Care to elaborate on this? as a day-to-day, 16hours/day KDE (as of yesterday, 4.10.1) user, I find this difficult to imagine. KDE & its apps are, to me, some of the finest in the whole software scene.
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Posted Mar 8, 2013 13:17 UTC (Fri) by pboddie (guest, #50784)
The most blatant example of this is the panel, which provides a bizarre array of ineffective controls to change the size that not only fail to do so in a reasonable way, but also look as if they came straight out of a mediocre "god game" on the Commodore Amiga. And even then, they don't seem to permit the thing to occupy the full width of the screen without the clock wanting half of it.
Posted Mar 8, 2013 13:47 UTC (Fri) by niner (subscriber, #26151)
For me KDE 4 fixed the remaining annoying desktop bugs of 3.5. Most important: I use a separate panel for the task manager in the bottom left corner growing up. This frees space on the main panel and gives enough space for window titles. On KDE 3.5, the icons on the desktop move right by the width of this task manager on every login, even though the latter allows windows to cover it. This bug has never been fixed on 3.5.
Posted Mar 8, 2013 14:49 UTC (Fri) by pboddie (guest, #50784)
I also don't think it helps that the applet chooser (or whatever it is called) is a long thin window that sits above the panel and has to be scrolled large distances horizontally. It's not as if the remaining 90% of the screen is unavailable to show the available applets because we have to keep an eye on the progress of our city/civilisation/spaceships. Also the choice of horizontal scrolling must surely be some kind of joke in the age of the scroll wheel.
And let us not dwell of the function of the scroll wheel as a workspace switcher when the mouse points at the desktop background. A neat hack for some, but when the scroll area of a trackpad maps to the same function, it's like some kind of cruel experiment for many groups of users. "Why does the screen flicker and I sometimes lose all the windows?" Because someone thought it necessary to be able to "scroll" through 50 workspaces in one finger movement.
Posted Mar 8, 2013 14:56 UTC (Fri) by niner (subscriber, #26151)
IIRC the same feature was already in 3.5.
Posted Mar 8, 2013 15:22 UTC (Fri) by pboddie (guest, #50784)
Posted Mar 8, 2013 16:53 UTC (Fri) by sebas (subscriber, #51660)
Posted Mar 8, 2013 22:09 UTC (Fri) by pboddie (guest, #50784)
I appreciate that people don't like change, which is probably how my remarks are interpreted, but sometimes one has to eliminate disastrously bad features just to avoid the need to have someone hovering behind new users helping them turn all the bad stuff off. And 3.5 still rules, by the way. ;-)
Posted Mar 8, 2013 22:14 UTC (Fri) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313)
That being said, I have never knowingly run into this issue before, so it doesn't matter much to me, but I can see why others would care about it (either to love it or hate it)
Posted Mar 11, 2013 15:48 UTC (Mon) by nye (guest, #51576)
I know this because I found it incredibly frustrating to use the system without it.
I'm constantly saddened by drives to remove all the features that differentiate Linux from Windows for me, in the name of the mythical 'new users'. This has already reached the point where I don't bother to use Linux on my home desktop any more; at some point I'll probably end up having to give up on it at work as well :(.
Posted Mar 11, 2013 15:58 UTC (Mon) by BlueLightning (subscriber, #38978)
Posted Mar 11, 2013 16:05 UTC (Mon) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784)
Posted Mar 11, 2013 19:08 UTC (Mon) by pboddie (guest, #50784)
As for whether it's a useful feature, I'm sure people do like it, but I've always been happy with the Ctrl-F<n> shortcuts and don't use the equivalent workspace-cycling shortcuts that are equivalent to the scrollwheel actions.
I also take exception to the "only new users would hate this" insinuation. First of all, new users might like it if it didn't impact them because of the mousepad scrolling region functionality, which is another area that you either love or hate regardless of whether you are new to computers or not. It is almost like pressing the wrong part of the space bar and experiencing the same effect as holding down Alt-Tab.
But I can see the point of it: you might want to navigate by depth which either means navigating the window stack or navigating workspaces, and the mousewheel provides that extra dimension of navigation. What is quite clear, however, is that no-one thought that this potentially useful function would "leak out" and damage usability elsewhere. We get lectured all the time about how the smart usability people know much more than us, but either the people exposed to the feature with a mousepad during testing were comfortable with it already (and probably using a mousepad they were already familiar with) or it didn't get usability tested in that environment at all.
My regret is that we're still having to deal with such annoyances when we could have moved far beyond them instead by now.
Posted Mar 8, 2013 23:58 UTC (Fri) by alankila (subscriber, #47141)
Almost everything bad about KDE (for me) follows about it having too many options, which makes everything ridiculously cluttered and ugly to look at. Therefore a lot of things can be fixed just by disabling everything that can be unchecked. I disable most keybindings, remove most applications, disable most window title bar buttons, etc.
Posted Mar 9, 2013 16:09 UTC (Sat) by nix (subscriber, #2304)
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