> With systemd Poettering et al are using dirty tactics to get it included in other distributions,
Writing better software isn't a dirty tactic.
> when Upstart was there first
I wish people would stop bringing this crap up. While it's true, it **doesn't matter at all**. NIH == rolling your own thing when there's an equally (or more) suitable alternative from someone else. Poettering extensively documented the rationale for not contributing to upstart, and telling him to work on upstart is like telling Linus Torvalds to contribute to a microkernel OS written in C++.
And by the way, the stated reason for sticking with upstart in Ubuntu isn't that upstart is in any way superior to systemd, but the apprehension that they'll screw up the integration. http://ubuntu.5.n6.nabble.com/upstart-beyond-Ubuntu-12-04...
Which wouldn't actually surprise me, given that it's Ubuntu we're talking about.