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The 2013 "State of X.Org" report

The 2013 "State of X.Org" report

Posted Feb 26, 2013 21:18 UTC (Tue) by mmarq (guest, #2332)
In reply to: The 2013 "State of X.Org" report by hummassa
Parent article: The 2013 "State of X.Org" report

> I did one suggestion: don't tell people (especially F/OSS people) what they should be doing. Just that. Instead of trying to give orders to people, I suggested you *do* whatever you are trying to order others to do.

Oh! now i understand why.

Sorry if i offended someone with a more "aggressive" tone. Giving orders never was the intend. The more aggressive "outlook" is because i still can't understand why this replacement "endorsement" that will imply changing every single one X app out there... as if must be this and then will be that for sure and no other choice...

The idea is not being a "wet blanket" for wayland, but reality can be very cruel... its not me "the problem" gentlemen, its the billions (yes with a B) of *potential end-users* out there, its not me who you have to listen, convince and put up with, its them. Yes the Ultra-Mobile side can be a refuge, its like an appliance, as if it is this, and take it or live it 'o' end-user... but lets be realistic, none of this projects will ever replace Android, Mac, and or Windows that is growing pushed by multi-billions at the front, anytime soon (if ever).

That is, if you gentleman want to have chances of "mass adoption" with a new project for the client, then the "desktop" side must be the first target, and this may already include Mobile from tablets to laptops.(IMHO not an order)

Those can be a very though audience just for starters... i have some experience, let me tell you... they want all their apps up and running, with no bugs or crashes, they want great looks, and they want all their hardware supported, and this including upto 4 GPU card in a system if it must.

And short the list may seem, those are worst than orders. You just can't send them to slash*t or something, telling them to go away or do the code themselves... 99.9% percent of them NEVER did a line of coding in their lives, those suggestions would seem worst than an insult, they just will not only don't understand, they will stay with Windows/Mac and smear and insult to kingdom come, not only a display system (what ever that may be) but *ALL* of Linux, the good the bad and all in between.

Perhaps for "mass adoption intents" on the desktop/client sector, the all Linux infrastructure will need a PR front... just to try to isolate the devs...

X has almost all of the apps there already, X can have great looks... the all thing lacks yet the proper hardware support that those ignorant massive masses would be complaining about... wayland will get to start allover, and even if it doesn't, those end-users couldn't care less about code design style complexity or language (as long it works well and has no bugs).


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The 2013 "State of X.Org" report

Posted Feb 26, 2013 22:02 UTC (Tue) by neilbrown (subscriber, #359) [Link]

> will imply changing every single one X app out there.

Maybe it depends on what you mean by an "X app".
You shouldn't need to change most Gnome and other GTK apps. GTK already has basic Wayland support.
You shouldn't need to change most KDE and other Qt apps. Qt already has basic Wayland support.
So all these should run natively on wayland.
I suspect TK and wxWidgets will also provide native support if Wayland shows any sign of success. Maybe they already do.

If those are "X apps", then you don't need to change every "X app".
If they are not "X apps", then ... how many "X apps" do you use? xclock? xload? Certainly there are some, but they shouldn't be a big barrier to change, assuming the change brings any value to makes the cost worth it (which I think it will).

The 2013 "State of X.Org" report

Posted Feb 26, 2013 22:34 UTC (Tue) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link]

i see... them it should be everybody happy, and no need to run clumsy hacks of server on top of server.

Basic it may be but will be more than enough as you say, since GKT/Qt etc already runs natively on wayland then.

Who ever wants the new fashion, instals wayland, whoever wants to stay using NX installs X... no promiscuity/bickering please, no need at all, just chance the WM. And then the DM login could have 4 desktop options... or more options... Gonme wayland, Gnome X, KDE wayland KDE x... and all the applications will be transparent to this

Good "suggestions"... no ?

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