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self-driving cars and lane splittingself-driving cars and lane splittingPosted Feb 23, 2013 3:07 UTC (Sat) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954)In reply to: self-driving cars and lane splitting by dlang Parent article: ELC: Google learns to drive I'm pretty sure that's incorrect, because I've consistently heard different, and a couple of minutes of Googling just now is consistent with what I said, and not what you said. I'd have to see a citation to the California Vehicle code where a motorcycle is excused from the requirement that a vehicle travel within a lane and signal, etc when changing lanes, and also a 15 mph speed limit. Of course, like I said, any individual cop could establish a 15 mph speed limit and that could be where that came from. My search indicated that the California Highway Patrol actually has formal guidelines for its cops in interpreting the generic unsafe driving law with regard to lane splitting, and they don't include a 15 mph speed limit.
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self-driving cars and lane splitting Posted Feb 23, 2013 3:53 UTC (Sat) by sfeam (subscriber, #2841) [Link] State of California Driver Handbook: "Although it is not illegal to share lanes with motorcycles, it is unsafe."
self-driving cars and lane splitting Posted Feb 23, 2013 22:39 UTC (Sat) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link] And in case it isn't clear, this backs up my claim that it's legal to split a lane, that there's no declared speed limit when you do, and that it is illegal to drive between lanes.
self-driving cars and lane splitting Posted Feb 25, 2013 6:26 UTC (Mon) by speedster1 (subscriber, #8143) [Link]
Driving between lanes is definitely legal in California, but CHP does tell motorcyclists to keep within 10MPH of traffic; cruising along at 35mph when other traffic is stop-and-go would be considered unsafe driving
http://www.chp.ca.gov/programs/lanesplitguide.html
"Lane splitting in a safe and prudent manner is not illegal in the state of California.
The term lane splitting, sometimes known as lane sharing, filtering or white-lining, refers to the process of a motorcyclist riding between lanes of stopped or slower moving traffic or moving between lanes to the front of traffic stopped at a traffic light."
"Travel at a speed that is no more than 10 MPH faster than other traffic -- danger increases at higher speed differentials."
self-driving cars and lane splitting Posted Feb 25, 2013 7:07 UTC (Mon) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link] Driving between lanes is definitely legal in California, Nope. The quotation from someone at the California Highway Patrol does uses the phrase "between lanes," but obviously doesn't mean that. If you read it in context, you see this author is using the term "lane" to refer to a line of cars. Yes, it's legal to drive between two lines of cars, but the normal definition of lane, and the one used in the motor vehicle code, is the pavement, not the vehicles on it. Strictly speaking, there isn't even any space between two adjacent lanes, but it could refer to straddling the border between the lanes. That's the way some motorcyclists do it, and it is not legal. A motorcycle, like any other vehicle, must drive entirely within a lane, following specific procedures to move from one to another. That's why the terms are "lane splitting" and "lane sharing" and not "lane ignoring." As I understand it, the only thing about the California vehicle code that makes lane splitting legal is that there's nothing that says you can't, whereas in other jurisdictions there's something that says you can't pass a vehicle in the same lane. I.e. the California code doesn't give special license to a motorcylist to e.g. straddle two lanes.
self-driving cars and lane splitting Posted Feb 25, 2013 8:35 UTC (Mon) by speedster1 (subscriber, #8143) [Link]
> The quotation from someone at the California Highway Patrol does uses the phrase "between lanes," but obviously doesn't mean that. If you read it in context, you see this author is using the term "lane" to refer to a line of cars.
"lane sharing, filtering or white-lining, refers to the process of a motorcyclist riding between lanes of stopped or slower moving traffic"
White-lining is rather suggestive synonym, don't you think? So if you're right about their use of terminology, then no, the context wasn't clear. White-lining sure sounds like "lane straddling" to me.
On the other hand, I don't see that staying on one side of the line or not makes much practical difference to the California drivers (human and computer) who need to watch out for these faster-moving motorcycles when changing lanes, so this wasn't really a key point -- I'm done trying to figure out what the policy really is, since I don't ride a motorcycle.
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