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ConvergenceConvergencePosted Feb 20, 2013 0:40 UTC (Wed) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091)In reply to: Convergence by janpla Parent article: Ubuntu for phone to be previewed February 21 It is ironic that the two most successful mobile platforms today don't want to know anything about this convergence stuff: Apple keeps its iOS and Mac OS X platforms completely separated (at least in the interface department), and Google even have their own desktop OS (Chrome OS) which shares nothing with Android apart from the Linux kernel. It is only some of the challengers that are trying to converge their platforms; Windows (with their ill-fated Windows 8) because they want to use their desktop dominance as leverage, and the rest (Ubuntu, GNOME, KDE) because they have little to lose, I imagine that they think. In fact they have a lot to lose such as their current user base, but hey, if Microsoft can risk it why can't they!
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Convergence Posted Feb 20, 2013 3:07 UTC (Wed) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]
I don't think what you say about Mac OS or the others is really true, except for ChromeOS and Android which were developed by very different teams, iOS and OSX share much of their infrastructure and plenty of UI elements have been migrated to OSX from iOS in recent releases because the mobile OS is where the current development is. Having ChromeOS and Android totally separate is probably a strategic error on Google's part, even if they have very different UIs there is no benefit in separately developing all the underlying plumbing, instead of converging as every other OS does.
Interface convergence Posted Feb 20, 2013 7:36 UTC (Wed) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link] What you say is true about the infrastructure, but not true about the user interface (which was my point really). Having one kernel for different operating systems is great, but what works for small devices is not necessarily going to work on large screens.Note the "necessarily". Apple has indeed copied elements from iOS to Mac OS X, e.g. some iPhone/iPad gestures work on the trackpad. But the bulk of the design is kept separately, unlike with Windows 8 where convergence is what is supposed to guide design. Or for the other platforms mentioned. Madness.
Interface convergence Posted Feb 20, 2013 17:24 UTC (Wed) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link] What you say is true about the infrastructure, but not true about the user interface (which was my point really). It's true for user interface, too. Small, piecemeal changes (similar controls, changes in scroll direction in Mac OS X Lion, etc), but they are there. They sure as hell do shot for the convergence, but they know it's few years away and they know they should not rush. Google does the same: it started with port of Chrome to Android, but now it slowly harmonizes look and feel, too. Having one kernel for different operating systems is great, but what works for small devices is not necessarily going to work on large screens. Sure, but why do you distinguish between "small devices" and "large screens"? These things can be combined (think Google Glass or even padfone). It makes no sense to rush and try to create interface which is basically unusable with today's hardware (big Micorosoft's mistake) but convergence is happening - it's just goes slow.
Convergence Posted Feb 20, 2013 13:03 UTC (Wed) by nye (guest, #51576) [Link]
You mischaracterise KDE - they are running the same platform, but they are very much not trying to converge user interface at all, which seems to be your main complaint.
If anything, I think KDE's approach looks like the best I've seen.
Convergence Posted Feb 20, 2013 13:21 UTC (Wed) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link] Sorry, I don't know KDE Plasma Active too well; I thought that the point of KDE Plasma was to unify all environments. If not so, I apologize.Anyway I am not complaining, I am just amused that so many people think that convergence is the future, when successful platforms do just the opposite.
Convergence Posted Feb 20, 2013 22:38 UTC (Wed) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link]
unify on a technical level, sure. But the goal of Plasma since day one (and that is well over 4 years ago) has always been to be able to build completely optimized ui's for each formfactor, despite sharing most of the heavy lifting. It is very modular and the team claims that despite the completely different way of working, desktop, tablet and phone share 90+% code.
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