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Gräßlin: Client Side Window Decorations and WaylandGräßlin: Client Side Window Decorations and WaylandPosted Feb 16, 2013 0:08 UTC (Sat) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313)In reply to: Gräßlin: Client Side Window Decorations and Wayland by mmarq Parent article: Gräßlin: Client Side Window Decorations and Wayland
> the code is PRE-ALPHA STATE.
This is the core of the problem.
It makes news when a distro decides NOT to make Wayland the default in their next (6 month out) release.
You have many advocates for Wayland effectivly claiming that anyone who doesn't agree that Wayland isn't AS OF RIGHT NOW the best thing ever are either stick-in-the-muds or a fringe element that should be ignored and not supported in the future.
These don't jive with "PRE-ALPHA state"
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Gräßlin: Client Side Window Decorations and Wayland Posted Feb 16, 2013 0:20 UTC (Sat) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]
> You have many advocates for Wayland effectivly claiming that anyone who doesn't agree that Wayland isn't AS OF RIGHT NOW the best thing ever are either stick-in-the-muds or a fringe element that should be ignored and not supported in the future.
I don't think that's true at all, I haven't seen anything like that here, and I'm obsessive about reading lwn comments 8-). There are plenty of people who think wayland is the right direction for X to go in but that it is a work in progress. It'll probably be years before the major distros switch, but it will happen, there are too many benefits to not switch.
Gräßlin: Client Side Window Decorations and Wayland Posted Feb 18, 2013 23:15 UTC (Mon) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link]
That if it is NOT Open Source...
X without network is not X
So Wayland so far IS NOT an evolution of X, its a replacement, more centered around the "mobile" side(superphones/tablets and such)... and some how the agenda is against the possibility of OpenVPN home, and go by there virtue of X(something similar)... this interests going behind wayland want all going true the web(no private network for the desktop, only the public be available).
If Wayland is F/OSS, it might be that a couple of crazy gits decide to include the pertinent features in X itself... and you know what!?... this X system is faster and better in all aspects than Wayland...
Nothing particularly against wayland... go ahead please... but don't try to sabotage anyone else...
Gräßlin: Client Side Window Decorations and Wayland Posted Feb 25, 2013 16:35 UTC (Mon) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] more centered around the "mobile" side(superphones/tablets and such)Absolute rubbish. Wayland is designed around the requirements of modern graphics hardware, and around the ways in which usage of X has changed over the years -- unless you think that all usage of Gtk and Qt is on smartphones and tablets, that is (which would, of course, be wrong). If Wayland is F/OSSIf? If? You haven't even done that much research? Googling for 'Wayland', clicking on the first link, and clicking on 'Wayland FAQ' tells you as much in the second FAQ item. Sheesh. a couple of crazy gits decide to include the pertinent features in X itselfGiven that most of the 'pertinent features' consist of getting X out of the way, something you can't do to an X server and still call it an X server, I'd say that this feature is self-contradictory (or, alternatively, has already been done: we call it DRI.)
Gräßlin: Client Side Window Decorations and Wayland Posted Feb 17, 2013 15:21 UTC (Sun) by renox (subscriber, #23785) [Link]
> You have many advocates for Wayland effectivly claiming that anyone who doesn't agree that Wayland isn't AS OF RIGHT NOW the best thing ever are either stick-in-the-muds or a fringe element that should be ignored and not supported in the future.
Bah that's why vocal "fans" must be ignored be they Wayland-fan or X-fan or whatever-fan.
Gräßlin: Client Side Window Decorations and Wayland Posted Feb 17, 2013 19:30 UTC (Sun) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
the problem is that it's hard or impossible to tell the difference between 'fans who should be ignored' and 'developers who you should try and convince or you will not have the equivalent to a feature you use now'
Gräßlin: Client Side Window Decorations and Wayland Posted Feb 18, 2013 23:30 UTC (Mon) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link]
who in their right mind would care ????...
Don't ignore wayland... but just give the possibility of the user to change to the windowing system they like... no one minimally sane is going to argue about this or with anyone that chooses not to use wayland...
Them lets see who wins the preferences... or is Linux desktop to be transformed into windoze ?
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