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Gräßlin: Client Side Window Decorations and WaylandGräßlin: Client Side Window Decorations and WaylandPosted Feb 14, 2013 8:00 UTC (Thu) by khim (subscriber, #9252)In reply to: Gräßlin: Client Side Window Decorations and Wayland by mmarq Parent article: Gräßlin: Client Side Window Decorations and Wayland
Just imagine!... can't agree on something so trivial... color combination! lol ... more so cause end users end up changing to the colors they like... i just imagine trying to agree on something less trivial lol... Actually it's easier to agree on something non-trivial. Much, much, MUCH easier. You see, to implement something non-trivial (let alone complex) you need someone capable. If it's something not just non-trivial, but outright complex then this means there are very, very few opinions because there are very, very few people! And this means they can meaningfully discuss things and agree to do something. But everyone can change the color...
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Gräßlin: Client Side Window Decorations and Wayland Posted Feb 15, 2013 14:56 UTC (Fri) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link]
damn semantics!...
Actually is extremely simple. You *think* about the end user... ALL OF THEM... not only your "followers" and or what you think is the best or the right thing...
This right mind set and it will be incredible easier to agree in a lot of things, its **for the "user"** is not for my particular project or way.
If are in the business to be praise by that "cool" comment of the closest followers, you are not in the business for mass adoption you are in a "RELIGION" business.
And those parallel examples are striking because only in the "christian" side as example, there are more than 2000 denominations... any of them claiming to possess the light and all others will end up in hell...
And then you complain about fragmentation and when it will be the year of Linux desktop... and seek for more support for your cause -> CRAZY!...
Gräßlin: Client Side Window Decorations and Wayland Posted Feb 15, 2013 15:23 UTC (Fri) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link] Spending more than five seconds thinking about the end user usually leads me to the following conclusions:
(I wouldn't be surprised to find that I have myself fallen into each of the above categories at least once.) If we look at the platforms that have achieved mass adoption, we find that they've all said "no" to at least some physically-possible ideas. This suggests a guiding principle that being able to say "no" is important.
Gräßlin: Client Side Window Decorations and Wayland Posted Feb 15, 2013 16:34 UTC (Fri) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link]
7 billions and no face is exactly the same... damn sure the Large majority doesn't want what you want...
But yes there are common denominators, but those tend to be very small and restricted...
Users want some more (or more) consistent look & fell... "I THINK SHOULD BE ALLOWED OR BETTER SAID FACILITATED", and as i POSTED ABOVE, a minimal set of issues;
hey! KDE, hey! Gnome, hey! Mozilla, hey! Libreoffice... (etc) its not for notoriety is not to discuss better code, its not for my project gain... "ITS FOR THEM"... THINK NOT PERFECTION... BUT FOR SURE THERE ARE SOME BASIC THINGS WE COULD AGREE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THEM AND US
That is a "Free Leader"... else, "free" is an empty word in the mouth of a fundamentalist sectarian kind of priesthood.
Gräßlin: Client Side Window Decorations and Wayland Posted Feb 15, 2013 18:48 UTC (Fri) by hummassa (subscriber, #307) [Link]
As a person who had to take user-centered design classes and works with it, I can tell you that: most users know what they want, but they can't communicate what it is. You have a plethora of communication techniques just to extract this information from a group of users.
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