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Kroah-Hartman: AF_BUS, D-Bus, and the Linux kernelKroah-Hartman: AF_BUS, D-Bus, and the Linux kernelPosted Feb 10, 2013 16:20 UTC (Sun) by oldtomas (guest, #72579)In reply to: Kroah-Hartman: AF_BUS, D-Bus, and the Linux kernel by drago01 Parent article: Kroah-Hartman: AF_BUS, D-Bus, and the Linux kernel
> The problem is that this "hate" is based on irrational and/or nonsensical arguments.
Of course your arguments are thoroughly rational and those disagreeing just Haven' Seen The Light (TM).
It's that kind of argument what makes me sad (it's on both sides of the rift, mind you).
It's about time that both sides accept that the other side might have perfectly valid arguments (which I (for any value of "I") jut don't get or which don't apply to me).
As a corollary, extreme positions ("X should be the default/only option everywhere" vs. "X should die already", for any value of "X", e.g. D-BUS, Systemd whatever) won't make anything better.
And your position "You disagree with me: that must be irrational" doesn't help (neither the opponents nor the proponents).
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Kroah-Hartman: AF_BUS, D-Bus, and the Linux kernel Posted Feb 10, 2013 23:39 UTC (Sun) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]
I think you are promoting a false equivilancy. On one side there are people working on making a practical, pragmatic IPC system for rational, documented reasons and on the other a small minority who mostly engage in debate using emotional terms without explaining any position other than how much they hate the new thing. You see the same thing, often from the same people, in discussions about systemd, udev, pulse audio, wayland and d-bus. The few who are articulate enough to communicate a reason should be applauded, the few who actually listen rather than monologue, and show the ability to change their mind, or at least respect others, should be applauded greatly.
Kroah-Hartman: AF_BUS, D-Bus, and the Linux kernel Posted Feb 11, 2013 13:21 UTC (Mon) by drago01 (subscriber, #50715) [Link]
Yeah exactly.
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